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Artillery charged in the flank

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Can Artillery (light or heavy) move (expand), in the melee phase, the second base of their BG to the side to face the enemy BG that charged the flank? This may be different for light artillery or heavy artillery as Light artillery have a 2" move and heavy can only pivot 1".

a second question is, if an artillery BG is charged in the flank with a field fortification to its front, is this 'Charging across a field fortification' on the basis that the charging BG is contacting the FF, albeit on the side, and hence it does not count as a charge in the flank and the double minus in impact and drop in cohesion?
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player wrote: Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:28 am Can Artillery (light or heavy) move (expand), in the melee phase, the second base of their BG to the side to face the enemy BG that charged the flank? This may be different for light artillery or heavy artillery as Light artillery have a 2" move and heavy can only pivot 1".

a second question is, if an artillery BG is charged in the flank with a field fortification to its front, is this 'Charging across a field fortification' on the basis that the charging BG is contacting the FF, albeit on the side, and hence it does not count as a charge in the flank and the double minus in impact and drop in cohesion?
Artillery cannot expand in melee (last sentence page 71)

If troops have FF to their front (but not also to their flank) they can be charged in the flank. "across" means literally going over the fortifications to get at the enemy. If you are charging the flank, you might touch the FF, but you are not charging across it.
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thanks Graham
I am still using version 2 and couldn't find the reference in my book.
So if the 2 base artillery BG is charged in the flank the base which is contacted turns to face but the other base stays where it is and continues to face forward and cannot take part in the combat. Is that correct?

On a related point. When artillery are behind FF and they want to pivot/turn to change the angle of fire, the bases of the BG naturally become mis-aligned in order that each base maintains some base contact with the FF. Is this correct or the alternative is that if the whole BG of two bases pivots then one of the bases will then not be in contact with the FF. Does this mean that one or both of them are not protected by the FF?

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player wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:51 pm thanks Graham
I am still using version 2 and couldn't find the reference in my book.
So if the 2 base artillery BG is charged in the flank the base which is contacted turns to face but the other base stays where it is and continues to face forward and cannot take part in the combat. Is that correct?

On a related point. When artillery are behind FF and they want to pivot/turn to change the angle of fire, the bases of the BG naturally become mis-aligned in order that each base maintains some base contact with the FF. Is this correct or the alternative is that if the whole BG of two bases pivots then one of the bases will then not be in contact with the FF. Does this mean that one or both of them are not protected by the FF?

thanks
On the first point, correct. On the related point: The front edge of the FF is treated as the front of the bases defending them. If the artillery start defending the FF then wheel at all, they will lose the benefit of the FF, as to get that you need to have your edge touching the rear of the FF. If they turn 90 degrees though, the FF will be in contact with the flank. So the flank in contact with the FF will get the benefit, but the new front edge of the artillery will not.
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Thanks again, Graham.
As you say that the artillery (light) can turn 90 degrees. One of the bases will then be in the rear. Given that light artillery has a move of 2" in the open and 1" otherwise, can the rear base then expand to be in the front adjacent to the other base?
I note that you said earlier that the light artillery could not expand by moving in a similar fashion into a melee.
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player wrote: Tue Oct 19, 2021 5:51 pm thanks Graham
I am still using version 2 and couldn't find the reference in my book.
So if the 2 base artillery BG is charged in the flank the base which is contacted turns to face but the other base stays where it is and continues to face forward and cannot take part in the combat. Is that correct?

On a related point. When artillery are behind FF and they want to pivot/turn to change the angle of fire, the bases of the BG naturally become mis-aligned in order that each base maintains some base contact with the FF. Is this correct or the alternative is that if the whole BG of two bases pivots then one of the bases will then not be in contact with the FF. Does this mean that one or both of them are not protected by the FF?

thanks
On the first point, correct. On the related point: The front edge of the FF is treated as the front of the bases defending them. If the artillery start defending the FF then wheel at all, they will lose the benefit of the FF, as to get that you need to have your edge touching the rear of the FF. If they turn 90 degrees though, the FF will be in contact with the flank. So the flank in contact with the FF will get the benefit, but the new front edge of the artillery will not.
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