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Support Shooting in Impact

Post by RSDPIT » Thu Nov 03, 2016 1:41 pm

When light foot shoot from 1/3 rank they can only shoot in a supporting role against Mounted troops, however it says 3rd rank troops will have 1 dice per base but use shooting P.O.A. Page 98
The next paragraph cover Light foot and Horse fighting where it says Lose 1 dice per 2 unless foot fighting foot or horse fighting foot or horse or fragmented enemy.

so the question is "as the rear rank is shooting not fighting does it get 2 dice plus shooting POA (only pike can count third rank fighting) or is it fighting in which case it can't shoot any how and loosing 1 dice per 2 becomes irrelevant?

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Re: Support Shooting in Impact

Post by LEmpereur » Thu Nov 03, 2016 3:11 pm

RSDPIT wrote:When light foot shoot from 1/3 rank they can only shoot in a supporting role against Mounted troops, however it says 3rd rank troops will have 1 dice per base but use shooting P.O.A. Page 98
The next paragraph cover Light foot and Horse fighting where it says Lose 1 dice per 2 unless foot fighting foot or horse fighting foot or horse or fragmented enemy.

so the question is "as the rear rank is shooting not fighting does it get 2 dice plus shooting POA (only pike can count third rank fighting) or is it fighting in which case it can't shoot any how and loosing 1 dice per 2 becomes irrelevant?
LF at third rank add they usual shooting dice at the impact against mouNted...

1 impact = 2 dices + 1 LF shooting dices
2 impacts = 4 dices + 1 LF shooting dices
1 impact = 6 dices + 2 LF shooting dices
2 impacts = 8 dices + 2 LF shooting dices
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Re: Support Shooting in Impact

Post by bahdahbum » Thu Nov 03, 2016 4:00 pm

1 impact = 2 dices + 1 LF shooting dices
2 impacts = 4 dices + 1 LF shooting dices
1 impact = 6 dices + 2 LF shooting dices
2 impacts = 8 dices + 2 LF shooting dices
Should it be translated this way ?

1 base impacted, 2 dice for impact + 1 dice for the LF shooting
2 bases impacted, 4 dice for impact + 1 shooting dice forthe LF shooting
3 bases impacted , 6 dice for impact + 2 dice for the LF shooting
4 bases impacted, 8 dice for impact + 2 dice for the LF shooting

Is that what you mean ?

But if we go to page 176 and have a look at shooting dice the principle is having one shooting dicie for every FULL set of 2 bases so it should be :

1 base impacted, 2 dice for impact + 0 dice for the LF shooting
2 bases impacted, 4 dice for impact + 1 shooting dice forthe LF shooting
3 bases impacted , 6 dice for impact + 1 dice for the LF shooting
4 bases impacted, 8 dice for impact + 2 dice for the LF shooting

As the rer rank is shooting as a support

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Re: Support Shooting in Impact

Post by LEmpereur » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:23 pm

This is impact dices... not shooting dices IMIO.
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Re: Support Shooting in Impact

Post by bahdahbum » Thu Nov 03, 2016 5:47 pm

Bows who do not shoot :mrgreen:

Someone better qualified will have to decide as I do not agree with l'Empereur as

pg 90 : 2nd and 3rd ranks bases of foot who were charged this turn can sometimes SHOOT as part of impact ...ok it also says "this is dealt with the combat section of the rules"

So what is the right mechanism ?

They shoot and they are threated as shooter or as melee fighters ?

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Re: Support Shooting in Impact

Post by petedalby » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:29 pm

1 base impacted, 2 dice for impact + 1 dice for the LF shooting
2 bases impacted, 4 dice for impact + 1 shooting dice forthe LF shooting
3 bases impacted , 6 dice for impact + 2 dice for the LF shooting
4 bases impacted, 8 dice for impact + 2 dice for the LF shooting
This bit is correct.

See page 98 - specifies support shooting dice as Impact - then reduces LF dice.
Pete

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Re: Support Shooting in Impact

Post by bahdahbum » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:41 pm

I know I someimes push a bit but some people should learn how to write rules with no openings to discussions

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Re: Support Shooting in Impact

Post by LEmpereur » Thu Nov 03, 2016 6:46 pm

petedalby wrote:
LEmpereur wrote:1 base impacted, 2 dice for impact + 1 dice for the LF shooting
2 bases impacted, 4 dice for impact + 1 shooting dice forthe LF shooting
3 bases impacted , 6 dice for impact + 2 dice for the LF shooting
4 bases impacted, 8 dice for impact + 2 dice for the LF shooting
This bit is correct.

See page 98 - specifies support shooting dice as Impact - then reduces LF dice.
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