Eastern Han Chinese

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Eastern Han Chinese

Post by dave_r » Sun Nov 24, 2019 1:22 pm

As part of the special campaign sections the army list states "Only if campaigning in the steppe - All terrain choices are replaced with "Steppe""

Presumably this is for both attacker and defender as it states All. Therefore if you defend or invade against this army the only terrain option is steppe.

Is that correct?
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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by davidandlynda » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:56 pm

I would argue it applies to the Han only, if they are invading surely they would be in the defenders terrain

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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by davidandlynda » Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:57 pm

I would argue it applies to the Han only, if they are invading surely they would be in the defenders terrain or maybe they should be forced to attack only armies that have steppe
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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by philqw78 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 3:32 pm

I will agree with David
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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by dave_r » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:12 pm

davidandlynda wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2019 2:57 pm
I would argue it applies to the Han only, if they are invading surely they would be in the defenders terrain or maybe they should be forced to attack only armies that have steppe
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How would you argue that when it states all terrain choices are replaced by Steppe? Doesn't state the Han only terrain choices are replaced by Steppe?

Phil agreed with me as well, although that's not a great marke for being correct...
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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by philqw78 » Sun Nov 24, 2019 4:17 pm

I took a Jeremy Corbyn position, I agree with both and neither of you, and nobody should invade anybody
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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by Caliph » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:30 am

Surely the terrain choices for a specific army as listed in the book, apply only to that army. So when it states all terrain choices are replaced by steppe it is only referring to the other choices available on the Han list.

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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by petedalby » Mon Nov 25, 2019 11:37 am

FWIW I agree with Messrs Fairhurst & Espie.

If my Alex Mac army invades the E Han with their Steppe list then I know I have to choose Steppe if I win initiative. But if the E Han invade Macedonia they don't get to bring the Steppe with them. If they win initiative they can choose from Agricultural or Developed the same as everyone else.
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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by dave_r » Mon Nov 25, 2019 3:54 pm

But the specific army is "campaigning on the steppe", meaning they did bring the steppe with them?
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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by petedalby » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:01 pm

I don't think so.

All terrain choices are replaced with Steppe refers to all 4 of the choices for the list. If you want a definitive answer I suggest you email that nice Mr Shaw.
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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by dave_r » Mon Nov 25, 2019 5:32 pm

You have inferred that it only relates to the eastern Han, but that's not what it actually states.
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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by philqw78 » Mon Nov 25, 2019 6:26 pm

FWIW the note is quite clear. All terrain choices are replaced. It may be an error but that is what It says
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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by terrys » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:39 am

I will agree with David
Not often the best thing to do.
If my Alex Mac army invades the E Han with their Steppe list then I know I have to choose Steppe if I win initiative. But if the E Han invade Macedonia they don't get to bring the Steppe with them. If they win initiative they can choose from Agricultural or Developed the same as everyone else.
This is the correct interpretation.
The region of 'Steppe' concerned is inside China - not somewhere that they invaded. The army was specifically put together to operate in this area, and an army operating in a different non-steppe region would not have this composition.
When the entry states "All terrain choices are replaced with Steppe" it only applies to the terrain choices in this list - not for the terrain choices in other lists.
It's historical enemies (other than civil wars) would be the "Early Eastern Steppe Horse Cultures", which only has "Steppe" as its terrain choice as well.

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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by terrys » Tue Nov 26, 2019 9:40 am

I will agree with David
Not often the best thing to do.
If my Alex Mac army invades the E Han with their Steppe list then I know I have to choose Steppe if I win initiative. But if the E Han invade Macedonia they don't get to bring the Steppe with them. If they win initiative they can choose from Agricultural or Developed the same as everyone else.
This is the correct interpretation.
The region of 'Steppe' concerned is inside China - not somewhere that they invaded. The army was specifically put together to operate in this area, and an army operating in a different non-steppe region would not have this composition.
When the entry states "All terrain choices are replaced with Steppe" it only applies to the terrain choices in this list - not for the terrain choices in other lists.
It's historical enemies (other than civil wars) would be the "Early Eastern Steppe Horse Cultures", which only has "Steppe" as its terrain choice as well.

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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by philqw78 » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:33 pm

So why doesn't the army have steppe as a choice if steppe is where it fought within its own borders sometimes
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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by terrys » Tue Dec 03, 2019 2:35 pm

So why doesn't the army have steppe as a choice if steppe is where it fought within its own borders sometimes
That would have meant entering date and army specific instruction on the terrain entry. It was easier to do it this way.

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Re: Eastern Han Chinese

Post by philqw78 » Tue Dec 03, 2019 4:50 pm

Lazy then
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