MAXIMA AND MINIMA

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MAXIMA AND MINIMA

Post by TERRYFROMSPOKANE »

The Ancient Spanish army list on page 123 of Book 1 says an Iberian army may have 0-24 Mercenary Celtiberian Heavy Foot. The army list also says Spanish armies may have a Celtiberian ally of 0-32 Scutarii which are also Heavy Foot. Are these two to be treated as the same "troops" for maxima and minima purposes? If so, does this mean an Iberian army is limited to 24 Celtiberian Heavy Foot between the Merenaries and the allies?

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Re: MAXIMA AND MINIMA

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IMO you can have ally Celtiberians with upto 32 under an ally general and the 24 mercenaries under a non-allied general
Strangely the mercenary (nor allied) celtiberians cannot be superior. Again IMO wrong as they were considered better by their contemporaries

PS Apparently I have to say 'In my opinion' now even though it would be fact if I was checking the list
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Re: MAXIMA AND MINIMA

Post by paullongmore »

A celtiberian ally would have 6 -16 caetrati and 12 - 32 scutarii.

For an iberian main list it's easy the number taken as allies are subtracted from the max and min caetrati and scutarii in the main list. The mercenery celtiberians are unaffected.

For a lusitanian main list it's more nuanced as there are no scutarii. I personally think that the most sensible thing would be to subtract the number of ally scutarii from the max and min of heavy caetrati. Others (Mr Ruddock) might argue that the max and min heavy caetrati in the main list are unaffected. The mercenery celtiberians are unaffected.

So I agree with Phil that you can have 32 ally celtiberians and 24 mercenary ones.
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Re: MAXIMA AND MINIMA

Post by berthier »

Mercenary Celtiberians are an optional troop for the main list and are not available to any ally.
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Re: MAXIMA AND MINIMA

Post by philqw78 »

berthier wrote: Wed Jun 24, 2020 9:38 am Mercenary Celtiberians are an optional troop for the main list and are not available to any ally.
So they could not be part of an allied command.
But if you are Iberian or Lusitanian you can have 24 under cinc or sub command and 32 under an allied celtiberian
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Re: MAXIMA AND MINIMA

Post by berthier »

Terry's original question was "Are these two to be treated as the same "troops" for maxima and minima purposes?" which is what I was answering. They do not.
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Re: MAXIMA AND MINIMA

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Ah, misunderstood
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Re: MAXIMA AND MINIMA

Post by berthier »

No worries.
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