Composition of the new army lists

[Sull51]

In the old game the number of army list in time period covered (up to 25 BC found in Rise of Rome and Immortal Fire ) is over a hundred.
The new version has 20+ less lists. Why the decline? Can you create and add customized army lists to the new game

[rbodleyscott]

In the old game the number of army list in time period covered (up to 25 BC found in Rise of Rome and Immortal Fire ) is over a hundred.
The new version has 20+ less lists. Why the decline?

The initial release only covers the Rise of Rome period (280 BC - 25 BC). It does not cover the Immortal Fire period, although there are some armies in it that would have been in the original Immortal Fire expansion - e.g. Classical Indians.

I would be very surprised if FOG2 did not contain more lists than FOG1, for the equivalent period, because it covers some armies that FOG1 did not cover at all.

Can you create and add customized army lists to the new game

Yes

[Hoplite1963]

Bit of a cheek I know and we have seen some of them in the screen shots, but any chance of a full rundown of the lists and list variants that will ship with the FOG II base game please ?

Kind regards
Ian

[rbodleyscott]

Bit of a cheek I know and we have seen some of them in the screen shots, but any chance of a full rundown of the lists and list variants that will ship with the FOG II base game please ?

I will discuss this with Slitherine.

[Hoplite1963]

Thanks Richard. I think its worth remembering that FOG1 initially came with no army lists at all and only got 2 from the 2nd Punic Wars later on. From the look of it with the FOG2 base game we will be getting the equivalent of most of what came in the base FOG1 game and Rise Of Rome combined.

[rbodleyscott]

Thanks Richard. I think its worth remembering that FOG1 initially came with no army lists at all and only got 2 from the 2nd Punic Wars later on. From the look of it with the FOG2 base game we will be getting the equivalent of most of what came in the base FOG1 game and Rise Of Rome combined.

Yes, and some overlapping lists from Immortal Fire, Lost Scrolls and Legions Triumphant. i.e. The lists in the initial release are based on the period 280 BC to 25 BC from Britain to India, not based on the original Rise of Rome army list book and FOG1 expansion. There were several lists overlapping this period that were not included in the original "Rise of Rome" because Rome never encountered them during that era. Those lists are in the FOG2 base game.

So far 78 lists in all, in the initial release, including various lists for nations that as far as I know never had FOG1 lists at all e.g. Bithynians, Kappadokians, Atropatene, Georgians (Iberians/Colchians), Caucasians, Nabataean Arabs.

[Hoplite1963]

Just gets better and better

[grumblefish]

I saw there were 3 different Greek army lists, all starting in the 3rd century. Is there a particular army list for King Cleomenes III?

[rbodleyscott]

I saw there were 3 different Greek army lists, all starting in the 3rd century. Is there a particular army list for King Cleomenes III?

Not specifically. He would use the Greek list applying to that period. We take the view that Sparta was very much in eclipse at this stage, and that its troops would not be better than, say, those in the Macedonian army.

Sparta will have its own separate lists when the game is extended to cover the period prior to 280 BC.

[Scutarii]

Well, the original FOG release had more than 2 army lists but was a pay version... the FOG version with romans and cartago armies only appear later and was a free game... even with first version was a problem to apply the first 2 army packs that was solved when they leave the free base game + army packs system.

I am curious to see if army lists could offer like in old FOG more variants of same units... offering them in diferent qualities, the new army lists looks a little simple... and i miss the allies option in the army list.

[Hoplite1963]

Hopefully we will eventually get the equivalent of the Late Hellenistic Spartan list we had in FOG I including the late Spartan Pikemen. Be good at some point to do a remake of the Sellasia scenario I did for FOG I and also do 3rd Mantina 207BC, Spartan Pike Phalanx plus catapults verses the Achaen League. 

Hope we the game will come with fairly extensive documentation on the scenario editor as well?

[rbodleyscott]

Hopefully we will eventually get the equivalent of the Late Hellenistic Spartan list we had in FOG I including the late Spartan Pikemen. Be good at some point to do a remake of the Sellasia scenario I did for FOG I and also do 3rd Mantina 207BC, Spartan Pike Phalanx plus catapults verses the Achaen League.

This can already done from the later Hellenistic Greek list.

Hope we the game will come with fairly extensive documentation on the scenario editor as well?

Yes

[Hoplite1963]

Thanks Richard. Does this mean that there is already a Spartan phalangite with their red lambda blazon on the shield in the unit graphics mix or will me have to wait for an “Immortal Fire” II equivalent expansion pack for this ?

[rbodleyscott]

Thanks Richard. Does this mean that there is already a Spartan phalangite with their red lambda blazon on the shield in the unit graphics mix or will me have to wait for an “Immortal Fire” II equivalent expansion pack for this ?

There are hoplites with the Lambda shield but not phalangites.