Break or Evade???

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Break or Evade???

Post by rurumickely » Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:49 am

Is there any sort of rule of thumb or a method of predicting whether a fragmented unit will break or evade when charged? Too often, I am charging fragmented units and seeing them evade away...
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Re: Break or Evade???

Post by rbodleyscott » Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:04 am

rurumickely wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:49 am
Is there any sort of rule of thumb or a method of predicting whether a fragmented unit will break or evade when charged? Too often, I am charging fragmented units and seeing them evade away...
They take a cohesion test. If they fail the cohesion test they break, if they pass they evade.

They will have a -2 modifier on the Cohesion Test for already being Fragmented, and may have additional negative modifiers for existing losses.

If the -2 modifier is the only modifier, their chance of failing the cohesion test and breaking is as follows, depending on the unit quality:

72.9 % untrained
58.3 % average
43.2 % superior
33.3 % elite

If they have suffered 25% losses, bringing the modifier to -3, their chances of breaking become:

85.4 % untrained
72.2 % average
62.2 % superior
50.6 % elite

Obviously this does not allow you to reliably predict whether they will break or evade, but at least you can figure out the chances.
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Post by DrPsyche » Tue Jul 09, 2019 4:51 am

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They take a cohesion test. If they fail the cohesion test they break, if they pass they evade.

They will have a -2 modifier on the Cohesion Test for already being Fragmented, and may have additional negative modifiers for existing losses.

If the -2 modifier is the only modifier, their chance of failing the cohesion test and breaking is as follows, depending on the unit quality:

72.9 % untrained
58.3 % average
43.2 % superior
33.3 % elite

If they have suffered 25% losses, bringing the modifier to -3, their chances of breaking become:

85.4 % untrained
72.2 % average
62.2 % superior
50.6 % elite

Obviously this does not allow you to reliably predict whether they will break or evade, but at least you can figure out the chances.
Thanks for sharing, the percentage is rather impressive. I often experienced this too, when I charged fragmented units and then they evaded away. I knew there was something you can at least rely on, but couldn't find anything valid.

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Re: Break or Evade???

Post by Blastom1016 » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:04 am

rbodleyscott wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:04 am
rurumickely wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:49 am
Is there any sort of rule of thumb or a method of predicting whether a fragmented unit will break or evade when charged? Too often, I am charging fragmented units and seeing them evade away...
They take a cohesion test. If they fail the cohesion test they break, if they pass they evade.

They will have a -2 modifier on the Cohesion Test for already being Fragmented, and may have additional negative modifiers for existing losses.

If the -2 modifier is the only modifier, their chance of failing the cohesion test and breaking is as follows, depending on the unit quality:

72.9 % untrained
58.3 % average
43.2 % superior
33.3 % elite

If they have suffered 25% losses, bringing the modifier to -3, their chances of breaking become:

85.4 % untrained
72.2 % average
62.2 % superior
50.6 % elite

Obviously this does not allow you to reliably predict whether they will break or evade, but at least you can figure out the chances.
Hello, rbodleyscott. As you mentioned the cohesion modifier from loss, I'm wondering if the lose in melee and lose a melee combat modification kick in.
So when I tries to break an engaged fragmented enemy with charge, is it better to resolve melee first to apply some loss in melee penalty or to charge directly?

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Re: Break or Evade???

Post by rbodleyscott » Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:56 am

Blastom1016 wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 6:04 am
Hello, rbodleyscott. As you mentioned the cohesion modifier from loss, I'm wondering if the lose in melee and lose a melee combat modification kick in.
So when I tries to break an engaged fragmented enemy with charge, is it better to resolve melee first to apply some loss in melee penalty or to charge directly?
No, those modifiers only apply in the test for losing the combat round.
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Re: Break or Evade???

Post by lapdog666 » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:26 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:04 am
rurumickely wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:49 am
Is there any sort of rule of thumb or a method of predicting whether a fragmented unit will break or evade when charged? Too often, I am charging fragmented units and seeing them evade away...
They take a cohesion test. If they fail the cohesion test they break, if they pass they evade.

They will have a -2 modifier on the Cohesion Test for already being Fragmented, and may have additional negative modifiers for existing losses.

If the -2 modifier is the only modifier, their chance of failing the cohesion test and breaking is as follows, depending on the unit quality:

72.9 % untrained
58.3 % average
43.2 % superior
33.3 % elite

If they have suffered 25% losses, bringing the modifier to -3, their chances of breaking become:

85.4 % untrained
72.2 % average
62.2 % superior
50.6 % elite

Obviously this does not allow you to reliably predict whether they will break or evade, but at least you can figure out the chances.
can we get percenteges for non disrupted/fragmented troops
and also how does impact foot, elephants and lancer cav play out in this calculation

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Re: Break or Evade???

Post by rbodleyscott » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:28 pm

lapdog666 wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:26 pm
rbodleyscott wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:04 am
rurumickely wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 9:49 am
Is there any sort of rule of thumb or a method of predicting whether a fragmented unit will break or evade when charged? Too often, I am charging fragmented units and seeing them evade away...
They take a cohesion test. If they fail the cohesion test they break, if they pass they evade.

They will have a -2 modifier on the Cohesion Test for already being Fragmented, and may have additional negative modifiers for existing losses.

If the -2 modifier is the only modifier, their chance of failing the cohesion test and breaking is as follows, depending on the unit quality:

72.9 % untrained
58.3 % average
43.2 % superior
33.3 % elite

If they have suffered 25% losses, bringing the modifier to -3, their chances of breaking become:

85.4 % untrained
72.2 % average
62.2 % superior
50.6 % elite

Obviously this does not allow you to reliably predict whether they will break or evade, but at least you can figure out the chances.
can we get percenteges for non disrupted/fragmented troops
Well for those the percentage is 0% as they don't have to test when they are charged.
and also how does impact foot, elephants and lancer cav play out in this calculation
If you are asking in general terms about chances of failing cohesion tests, this article (although written for P&S) will answer:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... =735499412

Although some of the cohesion tests modifiers are different in FOG2, the cohesion test failure chances are the same for any given total modifier.
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Re: Break or Evade???

Post by lapdog666 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:37 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:28 pm
lapdog666 wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:26 pm
rbodleyscott wrote:
Sun Jan 27, 2019 11:04 am


They take a cohesion test. If they fail the cohesion test they break, if they pass they evade.

They will have a -2 modifier on the Cohesion Test for already being Fragmented, and may have additional negative modifiers for existing losses.

If the -2 modifier is the only modifier, their chance of failing the cohesion test and breaking is as follows, depending on the unit quality:

72.9 % untrained
58.3 % average
43.2 % superior
33.3 % elite

If they have suffered 25% losses, bringing the modifier to -3, their chances of breaking become:

85.4 % untrained
72.2 % average
62.2 % superior
50.6 % elite

Obviously this does not allow you to reliably predict whether they will break or evade, but at least you can figure out the chances.
can we get percenteges for non disrupted/fragmented troops
Well for those the percentage is 0% as they don't have to test when they are charged.
and also how does impact foot, elephants and lancer cav play out in this calculation
If you are asking in general terms about chances of failing cohesion tests, this article (although written for P&S) will answer:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/ ... =735499412

Although some of the cohesion tests modifiers are different in FOG2, the cohesion test failure chances are the same for any given total modifier.
could you also tell me

1) what does threathened flank means. is it when a unit is having an enemy unit facing* its flank and having enough AP* to strike , or is it something bit more different , i need every detail. sometimes in this game details are powerful.


2) are the modifiers stacking ? 9% casualties by shooting + threathened flank is -2 instead of -1 now ?

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Re: Break or Evade???

Post by Blastom1016 » Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:13 am

lapdog666 wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:37 pm

1) what does threathened flank means. is it when a unit is having an enemy unit facing* its flank and having enough AP* to strike , or is it something bit more different , i need every detail. sometimes in this game details are powerful.
I'm also wondering this.
From what I got from google, being too close to the edge of map will also be considered as threatened flank. Is that true?

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Re: Break or Evade???

Post by rbodleyscott » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:37 am

Blastom1016 wrote:
Fri Jul 12, 2019 3:13 am
lapdog666 wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:37 pm

1) what does threathened flank means. is it when a unit is having an enemy unit facing* its flank and having enough AP* to strike , or is it something bit more different , i need every detail. sometimes in this game details are powerful.
I'm also wondering this.
From what I got from google, being too close to the edge of map will also be considered as threatened flank. Is that true?
No
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Re: Break or Evade???

Post by rbodleyscott » Fri Jul 12, 2019 6:40 am

lapdog666 wrote:
Thu Jul 11, 2019 5:37 pm

1) what does threathened flank means. is it when a unit is having an enemy unit facing* its flank and having enough AP* to strike
It is having an enemy unit that is actually capable of flank/rear charging it next turn.

are the modifiers stacking ? 9% casualties by shooting + threathened flank is -2 instead of -1 now ?
Most of the modifiers stack, but there are some exceptions. Also some modifiers only apply in cohesion tests for specific reasons.

This is detailed in the manual, section 15.2. See the table.

In your example, the two modifiers would stack if the cohesion test resulted from shooting, but the shooting casualties malus would not apply in a cohesion test caused by something else later in the turn.
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