Quick Questions Thread on Rules

[kronenblatt]

This thread serves the (hopefully useful) purpose of gathering all simple and short questions on FoG II rules that can be answered with a yes, no or maximum a couple of sentences, instead of every such question being asked in a separate thread. Then it would be more simple for newbies and other people to get an overview of common questions on rules through this thread. (Although I'm currently the one asking all simple, basic and stupid questions at the moment, it may be that other people find them and their answers useful, now or in the future, and this thread then makes them easier to find.)

So ask all simple and short questions on FoG II rules that can be answered with a yes, no or maximum a couple of sentences in this thread. And when answering a question in here, please Reply with quote so that it's clear which question the answer refers to.

Below is also a list of older threads with questions (and answers) on rules (if some are missing and should be added to the list, please PM me):

• Pursuit and evasion distances

• Cohesion double drops

• Bow versus Crossbow

• Cohesion Test Query

• Understanding cohesion tests

• Unit facing as result of combat

• Generals in cohesion tests

• Ambush

• Movement costs

• Rout logic

• Allocating Generals

• Zone of Control

• Armour

• Melee Combat

• Many quick questions

• Effect of Disorder

• Dismounting Lancers

• Sources of Cohesion drop

• Streams

• Force Points difference Player vs Computer

• Break or Evade

• Chased off the field

• Disorder effect on close combat win, draw, loss probabilities

• Which Units are Shock Troops

• Obsolete parts in Manual

• Double Cohesion drops

• X% Capabilities

• Weird Pursuit

• Impact

• Do -ve modifiers on cohesion tests increase the chance of a double-drop?

• Rallying

• General's Close Combat bonus

• Terrain type for an army

• Cohesion drop question

• Light Chariots

• Oddly specific request for the number-crunchers out there

• Light Chariots

• Making yourself a "Training Ground"

• Unit Card Explanation

• Pursuit and Probabilities

• Combined listing of all FoG2 Army Lists including all DLC and patch changes

• Rough ground in real life?

• The Return of ZOC

• Lancers and Streams

• Probability of General's Death during Close Combat

• Obstacles

• Drop of 3 Cohesion levels

• Cohesion Test at 10% Losses From Ranged Out of Original or Current Total Strength of Unit?

• Is it possible for the game engine to support units blocking LOS?

• A question about no impact capabilities

• Moving back

• Disorder and Cohesion Stacking Effects?

• Archers vs Slingers

• About garrisons and points in Campaigns

• Charges across rough terrain/streams

[kronenblatt]

In the case of a unit evading a charge, does the charging unit "always" pursue (with its remaining AP's), or are there exceptions so that it actually halts after the charge?

[rbodleyscott]

In the case of a unit evading a charge, does the charging unit "always" pursue (with its remaining AP's), or are there exceptions so that it actually halts after the charge?

It always pursues, unless the enemy unit was fragmented and broke from testing for being charged, in which case normal pursuit rules apply.

[kronenblatt]

1. 12.1.1: Non-light troops ignore the ZOC of light troops. => does this apply between infantry and cavaly as well, e.g., medium foot ignoring ZoC of light horse?

2. 12.4.1: Light troops (light foot and light horse) are allowed one free turn in any direction. => does this require them to be in command range?

[rbodleyscott]

1. 12.1.1: Non-light troops ignore the ZOC of light troops. => does this apply between infantry and cavaly as well, e.g., medium foot ignoring ZoC of light horse?

Yes

2. 12.4.1: Light troops (light foot and light horse) are allowed one free turn in any direction. => does this require them to be in command range?

No.

[kronenblatt]

12.6 of the Manual says: "if a fall back move is performed when within charge reach of a nonrouting non-light enemy unit (whether or not that enemy is actually in a position to charge), the falling back unit will take a Cohesion Test."

What's charge reach?

I sometimes use to fall back when my own charge has caused an evasion of the light enemy unit being charged.

[kronenblatt]

How many AP's are needed in order to charge?

My reason for asking is that a heavy infantry (with 10 AP at start of turn) moved diagonally in open terrain, consuming 6 AP, with 4 AP left. This was insufficient to charge diagonally. So is a charge considered a move into the target square, AP wise?

[DanZanzibar]

I think it is but I have seen units do fallback CT’s when no one could have charged them next turn. I now assume if someone can move to an adjacent square next move you can’t fallback for free but I would love to know if this is factual.

Edit: "I think it is..." generally but not in this case. For instance, the "threatened flank" for evading purposes I believe considers it threatened only if a unit can actually charge next turn. I don't think it is that clear-cut here...

[DanZanzibar]

I just saw that you added all those links to the original post! Fantastic job and thank you. Not surprisingly my question was answered there.

[rbodleyscott]

How many AP's are needed in order to charge?

My reason for asking is that a heavy infantry (with 10 AP at start of turn) moved diagonally in open terrain, consuming 6 AP, with 4 AP left. This was insufficient to charge diagonally. So is a charge considered a move into the target square, AP wise?

Yes

[rbodleyscott]

12.6 of the Manual says: "if a fall back move is performed when within charge reach of a nonrouting non-light enemy unit (whether or not that enemy is actually in a position to charge), the falling back unit will take a Cohesion Test."

What's charge reach?

I sometimes use to fall back when my own charge has caused an evasion of the light enemy unit being charged.

There is no test to see if the unit can actually charge. The falling back unit tests cohesion if the distance between the units is the base AP (of the enemy unit) / 4 or closer.

This probably reflects massed human psychology better than a rigorous analysis of whether the enemy can actually charge.

Essentially it is a simple proximity test.

It has also been left deliberately vague by design to make it sometimes uncertain whether a unit must test or not.

[rbodleyscott]

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[kronenblatt]

How many AP's are needed in order to charge?

My reason for asking is that a heavy infantry (with 10 AP at start of turn) moved diagonally in open terrain, consuming 6 AP, with 4 AP left. This was insufficient to charge diagonally. So is a charge considered a move into the target square, AP wise?

Yes

12.6 of the Manual says: "if a fall back move is performed when within charge reach of a nonrouting non-light enemy unit (whether or not that enemy is actually in a position to charge), the falling back unit will take a Cohesion Test."

What's charge reach?

I sometimes use to fall back when my own charge has caused an evasion of the light enemy unit being charged.

There is no test to see if the unit can actually charge. The falling back unit tests cohesion if the distance between the units is the base AP (of the enemy unit) / 4 or closer.

This probably reflects massed human psychology better than a rigorous analysis of whether the enemy can actually charge.

Essentially it is a simple proximity test.

It has also been left deliberately vague by design to make it sometimes uncertain whether a unit must test or not.

The human psychology was working on me as well, and also the uncertainty. So I really NEEDED to ask that question to get certainty.

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Thanks for all above, Richard!

[rs2excelsior]

I have one, from someone with three MP tournaments under their belt (not an expert by any means, but not a newbie) - I noticed the other night that holding down control on an empty square gives you a tooltip about the terrain (which was new to me, or at least if I knew it before I’d forgotten). I noticed built up areas say they provide protection from flank attacks for defending foot. Does this reduce flank attack PoA? Negate the auto drop? Both?

Also, does this apply to both flank and rear charges? I assume so, since the game really doesn’t differentiate between the two.

[kronenblatt]

I have one, from someone with three MP tournaments under their belt (not an expert by any means, but not a newbie) - I noticed the other night that holding down control on an empty square gives you a tooltip about the terrain (which was new to me, or at least if I knew it before I’d forgotten). I noticed built up areas say they provide protection from flank attacks for defending foot. Does this reduce flank attack PoA? Negate the auto drop? Both?

Also, does this apply to both flank and rear charges? I assume so, since the game really doesn’t differentiate between the two.

Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. See page 74 of the manual, fourth bullet point below:

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... unless...
* ... while in a built-up-area.

For foot only, that is.

[rs2excelsior]

Nice, thanks! And the same applies across obstacles, interesting...

[kronenblatt]

On generals:
Can a C-in-C general transfer to any unit within the army during battle, or only to those under his explicit command (set pre-battle)?

(I've read somewhere an advice to never allocate units to C-in-C generals, only to SG generals.)

[rbodleyscott]

On generals:
Can a C-in-C general transfer to any unit within the army during battle, or only to those under his explicit command (set pre-battle)?

Cin-C can. SG only to units of his own command.

[kronenblatt]

Added this really good thread to the first post of this sticky.

• Generals in cohesion tests

Especially (but not only) this one part, that may be useful:

... There is a difference between being in command range and not for light troops, though it is subtle. If a light unit that is in command range moves off at exactly 45 degrees, it will still get a free turn at the end, if it is not in command range, it won't...

[kronenblatt]

And on roughly the same topic (this was new to me at least):

- Only units with more than 50% of starting strength stand a chance to rally. Whether with or without a general in the unit.
- Autobroken units never rally, even if above 50% of starting strength.

OK, thanks Richard! And only units with more than 50% of starting strength may rally at all?

Yes

Thanks! And autobroken units never rally either, even if above 50% of starting strength?

Correct