The Dustbin

[GeneralKostas]

Division E

GeneralKostas (Armenian 253-476 AD + Roman 313-378 AD) beat olddog52 (Dacian 89-106 AD + Sarmatian 25-375 AD) 63-58

(3-1)

[Bluefin]

Division E

Bluefin (Visigoths) defeat GeneralKostas (Armenian and friends) 62-39.

Thanks for the game!

[Bluefin]

Division E

I reset up the matchup with phlewis as I was given the wrong Visigoth army (should have been 419-621). I conceded this match to avoid any confusion. The new match details:

Bluefin (Visigoth 419-621 AD) vs phlewis (Sarmation 25-375 AD with Germanic Horse Tribes (260-492)

Password is abba.

PM sent.

[nyczar]

Division A

nyczar - Roman 199-106 BC with Pergamene 262-191 BC allies defeats hidde - Jewish 110-64 BC with Nabataean 260 BC-106 AD allies 64-37

[XLegione]

Division A

XLegione Spartan 221-146 BC with Roman 280-220 BC allies challenges

hidde - Jewish 110-64 BC with Nabataean 260 BC-106 AD allies (1600) PW: hidde
klayeckles - Thracian (Getae) 279 BC-46 AD with Dacian 50 BC-88 AD allies (1600) PW: klay

PM: sent

Good luck!

Ciao
XLegione

[Quivis]

Division E

Quivis (German (Imperial) 1200-1319 AD with Free Canton 1200-1319 AD allies) beat gort7078 (Sword Brethren 1200-1237 AD with Baltic Tribes 1050-1283 AD allies) 46-6

Good game!

[GraftMalt]

Division E

GraftMalt (German 933-1049 AD with Polish 966-1057 AD allies) beat ggarynorman (Polish 966-1057 AD with Rus 960-1053 AD allies) 41 - 5

Thanks for the Game and good luck

[ggarynorman]

Division E

ggarynorman (Polish) beat phlewis (Bulgar) 67-44

Thanks for the game.

[mh5064]

As I have never seen this before, can a player unilaterally end a game with the system?

I thought I had seen a feature to end a game that was abandoned but I thought there was a time limit to allow the other player to respond?

If the original game / map is still available could that be continued? (from the way the message is written it seems that is not possible...)

Either way some bad blood has been created and lunarfoxx should not have done it without your agreement. The fact that he might or might not live in Upstate NY, that he might be a native english American speaker is neither here or there and even if he can type well he seems to have missed the key phrase "players may agree"

Useful rule to know about - who reads rules...

I don't know how he ended the game as it was my first turn after selecting and placing troops, he played first turn. Message report "Macedonian Victory! The enemy surrendered". I have a screenshot if you need (but i don't know how to upload...) so it is not possible to continue the battle.
The games have always been set by me correctly according to the rules (there is also someone who reads the rules...) and I have never had any problems with other players. (I played 8 games in the biblical league I set 4 battles; 9 in Classical Antiquity I set 4 battles; 8 in Classica Antiquity I set 5 battles)
For the rest, lunarfoxx candidly admitted that for him the map was unfavorable I am attaching the first answer received today from him:
"Re: DL 12 CA DIV F
Sent: 24 Oct 2021 14:56
From: LunarFoxx
Recipient: mh5064
OK, I sent a message to stockwellpete about it. Of course you liked the map, you were sitting on a hill to start, no way i'm attacking that and I know if you are smart you aren't coming down off the hill. That set-up is heading for a draw and the reason you restart because of terrain. I'll wait to see what stockwellpete has to say about it."

after he read the replies he sent me a second private message:
"I guess I messed up
Sent: 24 Oct 2021 15:23
From: LunarFoxx
Recipient: mh5064
I heard back from stockwell and the way it is written I did mess up. I didn't know the exact wording but I figured there is no way someone would give up a huge map advantage + thought that was way the rule was in there that you could do 2 restarts within 1st 3 rounds. Well my bad so u are right to be upset so I'm just waiting for stockwell to tell me how we mark it - prob just a 40-0 win
-LunarFoxx"

for completeness of information I also report my private messages sent to lunarfoxx:

"Re: DL 12 CA DIV F
Sent: 23 Oct 2021 22:58
by mh5064
Why do you resign the battle?
I did not answer you "ok let's do it".
I do not agree to restart the match cause the map is fine.
You can not says "I don't known about this terrain. I might wanna redo this" and the resign without my answer only cause you do not like the map.
RULE 4 is "Match - Players may agree to re-start a match within the first three turns if they believe the terrain is likely to produce a sterile match or a draw. The maximum number of re-starts permitted for a single match is two."
the meaning of "players may agree to re-start a match..." is not like "a player who can unilaterally re-start a match..."
and only "if they believe the terrain is likely to produce a sterile match or a draw" not cause you do not like the map!
I reported this to the organizers.

Re: DL 12 CA DIV F
Sent: 20 Oct 2021 16:22
by LunarFoxx
ok i accepted it - c u on field of battle

DL 12 CA DIV F
Sent: 18 Oct 2021 22:11
by mh5064
CA
Division F
mh5064 - Macedonian 260-148 BC (1600) vs LunarFoxx - Graeco-Bactrian 250-130 BC
Games set up
PW: 4321"

anyway, as I said, I will play the game again.

[Badger73]

Hmm, my understanding was that either player could reject a map within three turns but only twice for a match. The third map had to be played regardless.

No, that is wrong. There has to be agreement between the two players.

Is that new this season? My recollection for past seasons is different. Otherwise, I owe Kerait an apology in our Biblical division match. I was unwilling to play the Chen horse army in very constricted mountainous terrain that favored an infantry defense.

More to the point, now that the Digital League offers cash-equivalent prizes from Slitherine, I fear there will be matches where one side is sorely disadvantaged and their opponent will have no motivation to consent to different terrain, forcing the play of an unfair game.

[Tratmot]

Division E

Tratmot (Andalusian) beat phlewis (Bulgar) 42-10

ty for the game.

[stockwellpete]

Is that new this season? My recollection for past seasons is different. Otherwise, I owe Kerait an apology in our Biblical division match. I was unwilling to play the Chen horse army in very constricted mountainous terrain that favored an infantry defense.

No, it has been the rule since August 2018 (Season 3).

More to the point, now that the Digital League offers cash-equivalent prizes from Slitherine, I fear there will be matches where one side is sorely disadvantaged and their opponent will have no motivation to consent to different terrain, forcing the play of an unfair game.

The FOG2DL has always offered cash equivalent prizes - from Season 1 onwards. I see no need to change. If the terrain favours one side then the disadvantaged player does not need to attack and can ask for a new map. If the answer is "no" then it is a 0-0 result, not a defeat.

[BobGanoush]

Division B
BobGanoush challenges ray552

Chinese (Sui) 582-617 AD v Chinese (Chen) 557-589 AD

Game up, PW is ray 552, PM sent

[BobGanoush]

Division C

BobGanoush(Bithynian with Galatian allies) challenges Garokan(Carthaginian)

Game is up, PW is Garokan, PM sent

[kraff]

Division C

kraff (Visigoth 419-621 AD) won against Warg1 (Arab (City) 300-633 AD with Sassanid Persian 591-628 AD allies): 61-53.

(3-1)

[ericdoman1]

Division A

ericdoman1 - Mongol (Ilkhanid) 1230-1353 AD with Armenian (Cilicia) 1155-1375 AD allies (1200) defeated ianiow - Berber (Murabit) 1087-1147 AD (1200) 60-58

It was close throughout and a draw would have been the right result but I deserve a bit of good fortune.

(3-1)

[lunecastle]

Division B

lunecastle - Aragonese beats joggy - Serbian 60-53

Thanks for the game Joggy, all the best, Lunecastle.

(3-1)

[schmolywar]

Divison A
schmolywar - Berber (Almohad) 1121-1269 AD (1600)


Nijis - Granadine 1232-1319 with Berber (Marinid) 1244-1319 AD allies (1200)

tyronec - Aragonese 1200-1274 AD with Castilian 1200-1319 AD allies (1200)

pw:fgm1

PM sent

[Ray552]

Division C

ray552 (Graeco-Bactrian 250-130 BC) defeats SawyerK (Spartan 221-146 BC with Roman 280-220 BC allies) 40-8

Thank you for the game.

[Ray552]

Division C

Najanaja (Roman 199-106 BC with Greek 227-146 BC allies) defeats ray552 (Graeco-Bactrian 250-130 BC) 60-48

Thank you for the game.