The Dustbin

[stockwellpete]

This section will be running again in Season 3 almost certainly with a modified title once we have sorted out the 9 match-ups that we are going to use. I have got the first 10 new match-ups for us to consider. They are . . .

1. Spartans (680-461BC) v Greeks (680-461BC)
2. Kyrenean Greeks (460-322BC) v Ptolemaics (320-167BC)
3. Indians (500BC-319AD) v Seleucids (302-301BC)
4. Galatians (280-63BC) v Macedonians (320-261BC)
5. Nabataeans (260-106BC) v Jewish (167-111BC)
6. Kappadokians (260BC -17AD) v Pontics (280-111BC)
7. Indo-Greeks (175-10AD) v Mountain Indians (492-170BC)
8. Welsh (477-599AD) v Romano-British (407-599AD)
9. Turkish (552-599AD) v Sassanids (477-590AD)
10. Franks (496-599AD) v Visigoths (419-621AD)

If you like, or don't like, the look of any of these please post in this thread. Alternative historical suggestions (the more obscure the better) are most welcome. We do have a number of excellently balanced match-ups from previous seasons that we can use again (e.g. Kushans v Indo-Skythians or Carthaginians v Spanish), but I would like to get as many new match-ups as possible

[rexhurley]

Really cool and nicely balanced Pete it would certainly be one I would keen on looking at that

[Gorrick]

Hi Pete,

even though I only had a rough look at the 9 matches, this certainly is a section I'll join.
Looking forward to season 3.

Regards
Gorrick

[Sennacherib]

the three armies with elephants are really strong in this section, the others are a level lower at least !

[stockwellpete]

Here is the full army list for the Classical Antiquity league section. There are over 80 armies available to choose from and, initially, players are required to choose 4 of them (from different nations, so not 3 Carthaginian armies and a Seleucid army, for example). Please post your army selections in your order of preference in this thread.

Once players have been organised into divisions of 10 based on their playing experience and ability, they will then be allocated one of their four choices. The allocation process will give preference to the lowest rated players (see FOG2DL ratings) in each division. Only very occasionally might a player be asked to make another selection at this stage.

Players will need to have both the base game and the Immortal Fire DLC to enter this section of the tournament.

Please note that the following massed bow armies (Indian, Mountain Indian, Indo-Greeks and Nabataeans) are now available again after a substantial adjustment to their capabilities.

Army list

Achaemenid Persian 550-546 BC
Achaemenid Persian 547 BC (Thymbra)
Achaemenid Persian 545-481 BC
Achaemenid Persian 480-461 BC
Achaemenid Persian 460-420 BC
Achaemenid Persian 419-329 BC
Antigonid 320-301 BC
Apulian 420-203 BC
Arab 312 BC-476 AD
Armenian 331 BC-252 AD
Atropatene 320-145 BC
Atropatene 144 BC-226 AD
Bithynian 297-74 BC
Bosporan 348-85 BC
Bruttian or Lucanian 420-203 BC
Campanian 420-281 BC
Campanian 280-203 BC
Carthaginian 490-411 BC
Carthaginian 410-341 BC
Carthaginian 340-281 BC
Carthaginian 280-263 BC
Carthaginian 262-236 BC
Carthaginian 235-146 BC
Carthaginian (Hannibal in Italy) 218-217 BC
Carthaginian (Hannibal in Italy) 216-203 BC
Carthaginian (Hannibal in Africa) 202 BC
Caucasian 320 BC-476 AD
Etruscan 490-331 BC
Etruscan 330-280 BC
Galatian 280-63 BC
Gallic 390-301 BC
Gallic 300-101 BC
Graeco-Bactrian 250-130 BC
Greek 680-461 BC
Greek 460-281 BC
Greek 280-228 BC
Greek (Western) 280-49 BC
Greek 227-146 BC
Iberian or Colchian 331 BC-252 AD
Illyrian 350 BC-25 AD
Indian 500 BC-319 AD
Indo-Greeks 175 BC-10 AD
Italian Hill Tribes 490-275 BC
Jewish 167-111 BC
Jewish 110-64 BC
Kappadokian 260 BC-17 AD
Kushan 130BC–476 AD
Kyrenean Greek 550-461 BC
Kyrenean Greek 460-322 BC
Latin 490-338 BC
Libyan 220 BC-70 AD
Ligurian 480-145 BC
Lydian 550-546 BC
Lysimachid 320-281 BC
Macedonian 355-329 BC
Macedonian 328-321 BC
Macedonian 320-261 BC
Macedonian 260-148 BC
Mountain Indian 492-170 BC
Numidian or Moorish 220-56 BC
Nabataean 260 BC-106 AD
Parthian 250 BC-225 AD
Pergamene 262-191 BC
Pergamene 190-129 BC
Pontic 281-111 BC
Pontic 110-85 BC
Ptolemaic 320-167 BC
Ptolemaic 166-56 BC
Pyrrhic 280-272 BC
Rhoxolani 350 BC-24 AD
Roman 490-341 BC
Roman 340-281 BC
Roman 280-220 BC
Roman 219-200 BC
Roman 199-106 BC
Roman 105-25 BC
Saka 300 BC-50 AD
Samnite 355-272 BC
Sarmatian 350 BC-24 AD
Seleucid 320-303 BC
Seleucid 302-301 BC
Seleucid 300-206 BC
Seleucid 205-167 BC
Seleucid 166-125 BC
Seleucid 124 BC-63 BC
Skythian or Saka 550-301 BC
Skythian 300 BC-50 AD
Spanish 300-10 BC
Spartan 550-461 BC
Spartan 460-281 BC
Syracusan 421-281 BC
Syracusan 280-211 BC
Thessalian 404-353 BC
Thracian 350 BC-46 AD
Umbrian 490-260 BC

[stockwellpete]

Here is the full army list for the Late Antiquity league section. There are over 80 armies available to choose from and, initially, players are required to choose 4 of them (from different nations, so not 3 Roman armies and a Hunnic army, for example). Please post your army selections in your order of preference in this thread.

Once players have been organised into divisions of 10 based on their playing experience and ability, they will then be allocated one of their four choices. The allocation process will give preference to the lowest rated players (see FOG2DL ratings) in each division. Only very occasionally might a player be asked to make another selection at this stage.

Please note that the following massed bow armies (Indian and Nabataean) are available again after a substantial adjustment to their capabilities.

Players will need to have the base game, the Legions Triumphant DLC and the Age of Belisarius DLC to enter this section of the tournament.

Army list

Alan 25-650 AD
Ancient British 60 BC-80 AD
Anglo-Saxon 449-599 AD
Arab 312 BC-476 AD
Arab (Bedouin) 300-636 AD
Arab (City) 300-633 AD
Armenian 331 BC-252 AD
Armenian 253-476 AD
Armenian 477-627 AD
Atropatene 144 BC-226 AD
Bithynian 297-74 BC
Bosporan 348-85 BC
Bosporan 84-11 BC
Bosporan 11 BC-375 AD
Breton 411-579 AD
Byzantine 493-550 AD
Caledonian 50-225 AD
Caucasian 320 BC-476 AD
Dacian 50 BC-88 AD
Dacian 89-106 AD
Frank 260-495 AD
Frank 496-599 AD
Galatian 280-63 BC
Galatian 63-25 BC
Gallic 100-50 BC
Gepid 493-567 AD
Germanic Foot Tribes 105 BC-259 AD
Germanic/Gothic Foot Tribes 260-476 AD
Germanic/Gothic Horse Tribes 260-476 AD
Hephthalites 350-570 AD
Hunnic 250-375 AD
Hunnic 376-476 AD
Hunnic (Western) 455-559 AD
Hunnic (Sabir) 463-558 AD
Iberian or Colchian 331 BC-252 AD
Illyrian 350 BC-25 AD
Indian 320-545 AD
Indo-Parthian 60 BC-30 AD
Indo-Skythian 95 BC-50 AD
Jewish 110-64 BC
Jewish 64 BC-6 AD
Jewish Revolt 66-135 AD
Kappadokian 260 BC-17 AD
Kingdom of Soissons 461-486AD
Kushan 130 BC-476 AD
Libyan 220 BC-70 AD
Lombard 493-567 AD
Moorish 350-698 AD
Nabataean 260 BC-106 AD
Numidian or Moorish 220-56 BC
Numidian or Moorish 55 BC-6 AD
Ostrogoths 493-561 AD
Palmyran 258-273 AD
Parthian 250 BC - 225 AD
Pictish 210-476 AD
Pictish 477-850 AD
Pontic 110-85 BC
Pontic 84-47 BC
Ptolemaic 166-56 BC
Ptolemaic 55-30 BC
Rhoxolani 350 BC - 24 AD
Roman 105-25 BC
Roman 24 BC–196 AD
Roman 197-284 AD
Roman 285-378 AD
Roman 379-424 AD
Roman 425-476 AD
Romano-British 407-599 AD
Saka 300 BC-50 AD
Sarmatian 350 BC-24 AD
Sarmatian 25-375 AD
Sassanid Persian 224-349 AD*
Sassanid Persian 349-476 AD*
Sassanid Persian 477-590 AD*
Scots-Irish 50 BC-476 AD
Scots-Irish 477-846 AD
Seleucid 124-63 BC
Skythian 300 BC-50 AD
Slave Revolt 73-71 BC
Spanish 300-10 BC
Spanish (Sertorius) 80-70 BC
Thracian 350 BC-46 AD
Vandal 442-499 AD
Visigoth 419-621 AD
Welsh 477-599 AD

*note on Sassanid Persian lists

Re: The Rally Point (discussion and questions)
Post by rbodleyscott » 12 Aug 2018 09:52

Note that these Sassanid lists will be getting a major revamp in the next official update, which will make them a more flexible option, including some better quality Heavy Foot (Undrilled Heavy Foot, Average, Protected, Light Spear, Swordsmen) in addition to the levy spearmen, Massed Archers and the option to have some Above Average armoured horse archers rather than all Superior.

The earlier Sassanid lists will be divided into 224-349 AD and 350-476 AD lists. The earlier list is transitional between a Parthian-style composition and the current Sassanid composition. The later list is similar to the current Sassanid 224-476 AD list, but with the additions listed above.

[stockwellpete]

Here is the full army list for the Early Middle Ages league section. There are over 30 armies available to choose from and, initially, players are required to choose 4 of them (from different nations, so not 3 Byzantine armies and a Gepid army, for example). Please post your army selections in your order of preference in this thread.

Once players have been organised into divisions of 10 based on their playing experience and ability, they will then be allocated one of their four choices. The allocation process will give preference to the lowest rated players (see FOG2DL ratings) in each division. Only very occasionally might a player be asked to make another selection at this stage.

Players will need to have both the base game and the Age of Belisarius DLC to enter this section of the tournament.

Army list

Alan 25-650 AD
Anglo-Saxon 449-599 AD
Arab (Bedouin) 300-636 AD
Arab (city) 300-633 AD
Armenian 477-627 AD
Avar 553-557 AD
Avar 558-631 AD
Breton 411-579 AD
Breton 580-1072 AD
Byzantine 493-550 BC
Byzantine 551-578 AD
Byzantine 579-599 AD
Frank 496-599 AD
Gepid 493-567 AD
Hepthalite 350-570 AD
Huns, Western 455-559 AD
Hun, Sabir 463-558 AD
Indian 320-545 AD
Indian 546-599 AD
Lombard 493-567 AD
Lombard 568-569 AD
Lombard 570-649 AD
Moorish 350-698 AD
Ostrogoth 493-561 AD
Pictish 477-850 AD
Romano-British 407-599 AD
Sassanid Persian 477-590 AD
Sassanid Persian 591-628 AD
Scots-Irish 477-846 AD
Slav 500-599 AD
Turkish 552-599 AD
Vandal 500-534 AD
Visigoth 419-621 AD
Welsh 477-599 AD

[stockwellpete]

There are three more match-ups to be added to our list of possibilities.

Arabs (City) v Arabs (Bedouin) has been kindly suggested to me by Gorrick. I also want to include a couple of Silk Road (v1.3) match-ups. So I am suggesting Chinese 3 Kingdoms, Wei (220-265 AD) v Chinese 3 Kingdoms Shu (221-263 AD) and Chinese Jin (317-420 AD) v Sixteen Kingdoms (304-439 AD).

So that is 13 choices altogether and we will have to reduce that to just 9. There is another week for suggestions, comments and preferences and I will finalise the choices just before I open recruitment on Monday September 17th.

[stockwellpete]

From Maurya to Alaric

Instructions

The fixture list will be published in stages, the first five rounds of matches will be released on October 1st and the second four rounds on November 1st. Players are free to play matches in any order once they have been released.

Either player may set up the challenge in this section. Remember to PM your opponent as well as placing the challenge and password in this thread.

For matches in this section players will select "Open Battle" and will field a "Medium" army and choose a "Medium" battlefield unless otherwise directed. Players are free to customise their army before each battle so "Default" is the correct Force Selection option. Terrain will always be "Pot Luck" unless otherwise specified. There are no exceptions to this standard set-up for a match. If a match is set-up incorrectly for any reason then it must be re-started as soon as possible.

Players will need to have the base game, the Immortal Fire DLC, the Legions Triumphant DLC, and the Age of Belisarius DLC to enter this section of the tournament. You will also need the latest version (now is v1.3) of jomni's Silk Road mod installed.

The final % scores for each player are taken from the in-battle display in the top left-hand corner of the screen and not the Final Losses screen that appears after the battle has ended where losses are adjusted for wounded and deserted troops.

Reporting the result of a match is the responsibility of the winning player. However, if you are the loser in a match and notice that the result has not been posted within 24 hours please post the result yourself. This helps to keep the league tables up to date.

Please be sure to familiarise yourself with both the Rules of Competition and the Players' Guide.

The Rules are here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=80755
The Guide is here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=81008

List of match-ups for Season 3
1. Indians (500BC-319AD) v Seleucids (302-301BC)
2. Galatians (280-63BC) v Macedonians (320-261BC)
3. Nabataeans (260-106BC) v Jewish (167-111BC)
4. Kushans (130 BC-476 AD) v Indo-Skythians (95 BC-50 AD)
5. Chinese 3 Kingdoms, Wei (220-265 AD) v Chinese 3 Kingdoms Shu (221-263 AD)
6. Arab City (300-633 AD) v Arab Bedouin (300-636 AD)
7. Chinese Jin (317-420 AD) v Sixteen Kingdoms (304-439 AD)
8. Welsh (477-599AD) v Romano-British (407-599AD)
9. Franks (496-599AD) v Visigoths (419-621AD)

[stockwellpete]

Themed Event

Instructions

Matches in this section are played to a tighter schedule and must be prioritised above matches from other sections. Matches will generally be allowed around 14 days for completion. Unfinished matches will be subject to adjudication.

The group stage matches are single battles, while the knockout stage of the tournament will use paired games ("mirror matches") to decide who progresses to the next round.

Either player may set up the challenge in this section. Remember to PM your opponent as well as placing the challenge and password in this thread.

For matches in this section players will select "Open Battle" and will field a "Medium" army and choose a "Medium" battlefield unless otherwise directed. Players are free to customise their army before each battle so "Default" is the correct Force Selection option. Terrain will always be "Pot Luck" unless otherwise specified. There are no exceptions to this standard set-up for a match. If a match is set-up incorrectly for any reason then it must be re-started as soon as possible.

The final % scores for each player are taken from the in-battle display in the top left-hand corner of the screen and not the Final Losses screen that appears after the battle has ended where losses are adjusted for wounded and deserted troops.

Reporting the result of a match is the responsibility of the winning player. However, if you are the loser in a match and notice that the result has not been posted within 24 hours please post the result yourself. This helps to keep the league tables up to date.

Where players finish with the same number of points at the end of the group stage, the points aggregate from the matches between those player will be used to decide the final places in the group table. If this does not separate the players then lots will be drawn to determine which player(s) proceed to the next stage of the competition.

Please be sure to familiarise yourself with both the Rules of Competition and the Players' Guide.

The Rules are here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=80755
The Guide is here . . . viewtopic.php?f=501&t=81008

Match-ups for the Themed Event

Group stage matches (single games)
1. Byzantines (493-550AD) v Ostrogoths (493-561AD)
2. Lombards (493-567AD) v Gepids (493-567AD)
3. Byzantines (493-550AD) v Sassanids (477-590AD)

Knockout stage (paired games)
QF. Byzantines (551-578AD) v Slavs (500-599AD)
SF. Avars (558-631AD) v Hunnic, Sabir (463-558AD)
F. Byzantines (551-578AD) v Lombards (568/9AD)

[stockwellpete]

Match-ups for the Themed Event

Group stage matches (single games)
1. Byzantines (493-550AD) v Ostrogoths (493-561AD)
2. Lombards (493-567AD) v Gepids (493-567AD)
3. Byzantines (493-550AD) v Sassanids (477-590AD)

Knockout stage (paired games)
QF. Byzantines (551-578AD) v Slavs (500-599AD)
SF. Avars (558-631AD) v Hunnic, Sabir (463-558AD)
F. Byzantines (551-578AD) v Lombards (568/9AD)

[stockwellpete]

http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtop ... 58&t=87783

[stockwellpete]

The final line-up for this section, which will be called "From Maurya to Alaric", is as follows . . .

1. Indians (500BC-319AD) v Seleucids (302-301BC)
2. Galatians (280-63BC) v Macedonians (320-261BC)
3. Nabataeans (260-106BC) v Jewish (167-111BC)
4. Kushans (130 BC-476 AD) v Indo-Skythians (95 BC-50 AD)
5. Chinese 3 Kingdoms, Wei (220-265 AD) v Chinese 3 Kingdoms Shu (221-263 AD)
6. Arab City (300-633 AD) v Arab Bedouin (300-636 AD)
7. Chinese Jin (317-420 AD) v Sixteen Kingdoms (304-439 AD)
8. Welsh (477-599AD) v Romano-British (407-599AD)
9. Franks (496-599AD) v Visigoths (419-621AD)

[stockwellpete]

The tournament will start on Monday October 1st.

[stockwellpete]

17th September - recruitment opens
26th September - deadline for players to register for the tournament
27th September - new patch for game is released, divisions for each section will be posted
28th September - deadline for army selections
29th September - army allocations will be posted
1st October - the tournament opens, first batch of fixtures for "From Maurya to Alaric" will be released and the group phase of the Themed Event will start
14th October - first full Sunday round-up
22nd October - Time Control 1 (all players must have completed one match in each section they have entered otherwise they may be replaced by a reserve)
1st November - second batch of fixtures for "From Maurya to Alaric" will be released, quarter-final Themed Event matches will start
6th November - Time Control 2 (all players must have completed three matches in each section they have entered, excluding the Themed Event, otherwise they may be replaced by a reserve)
19th November - semi-final Themed Event matches will start
3rd December - final Themed Event match will start
16th December - the tournament will close

[stockwellpete]

This evening I have sent out a total of 134 invitations to play in Season 3 of the FOG2DL. 88 of these were to players who has previously entered the competition and 46 are to potential new players. If you have played in the FOG2DL before and have not received an invitation this time, please contact me by PM in the first instance.

[shadowblack]

I'm in this time

[shadowblack]

Yes please. Choices to follow

1 Visigothic
2 Lombard 568
3 Byzantine 551
4 Gepid

[Ludendorf]

Would be a shame to miss this, even while I work on deciding what lists I want for the other entries. Alright. Count me in.

[shadowblack]

Yes please. Choices to follow

1 Roman 105
2 Scots Irish 50
3 Visigothic 419
4 Bithyinian