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Re: Poll on army selection rules

Post by stockwellpete » Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:46 pm

klayeckles wrote:
Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:12 pm
I think this is on the right track, but is still confusing...we don't want 9 of the same nation necessarily...but i don't know this rule as presented (where it is based on the number or armies in of a nation), really gets at the issue of providing option while limiting the number of "same" armies....there really aren't that many armies to deal with...and the "Nationality" designation is kind of a arbitrary...ie there is the Lysimachid, the Macedonian, and seleucid that are all more similar than some of the other nation lists. So why not just look over the lists and pick some variants without including all. so there are already several Mac-centric nations so we wouldn't need other additional Mac armies; but maybe there are a couple of romans, as they vary significantly from early to late, and an early and a late carthage. and so on.

so rather than saying..."you can pick any roman, but only two will be allowed"... maybe we list two and only two roman armies to be chosen (i bet pete has a very good idea of what is popular, and which are a bit different). This way it is more clear what choices might be available when you choose your army, and there will be automatic variation in the same nation options

so for instance in the classical division

rome 280 AND rome 210 (same nation Very different)
carthage 350 and carthage 218 (heavy chariots vs. hannibal in rome)
Greek 460 and greek 280 (citizen hoplites vs thoraktai)
gaulic 390 and gaulic 100 (chariot based vs cav based)....note this wouldn't be allowed under the strict rules as defined as there are only 3 gaulic armies,
thracian 329 and 279 (hellenistic vs getae based)
I take your point, Klay, and along with batesmotel's earlier suggestion I think it could offer some interesting alternatives. I have to say though that I am at about my limit in terms of what I can contribute myself to the FOG2DL. I have no objection if you or Chris want to establish small working groups to flesh out your ideas and then you can present them to me and I will poll them to see if people like the ideas. We could start off with a trial in one section for one season and see how it goes and if there is enough support roll it out further in subsequent seasons. I do feel that the league needs to keep evolving to maintain player interest and recruit new players.
something for another day...but if folks are tired of facing the same 5 armies every time, we might consider a themed event titled..."battle of the misfit armies". there are some very interesting armies out there that never get picked (like my hepthalite army i'm using now--and successfully proving horses don't mix with pikes), because they don't do well against the predominant army selections. but imagine battles of pergamene vs. Bithynian Kushan Vs Samite etc...
Well, this is what the sections in earlier seasons like "From Maurya to Alaric" and "From Zhou to Chen" were about. A lot of those match-ups were quite obscure. I could put something together along these lines again for the Themed Event in a future season soon.

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Re: Early Middle Ages: winners post your results here

Post by deve » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:33 pm

Div C
deve (Dailami) beat Rob123 (Indian) 44-17

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Re: Late Antiquity: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by klayeckles » Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:45 pm

Div A
THANK YOU SIR MAY I HAVE ANOTHER! the hepthalites are looking for more pain and suffering...final matches below:

Nikiforosfakas (jewish) PW revolt
Nosy rat (west. hunnic) Pw horsey
Nyczar (scots-irish) pw spankme

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Re: Late Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Post by SpeedyCM » Mon Jul 01, 2019 11:34 pm

Div B

SpeedyCM (Sassanid 350-476 AD) defeated Cunningcairn (Indian 320-545 AD) 60-37.

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Re: Classical Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Post by Karvon » Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:08 am

Div C

Karvon - Achaemenid Persian 419-329 BC drew vs. cromlechi - Carthaginian, Hannibal in Africa 202 BC 34-0 for a score of 2-0.

The short version: Carth divided his force onto two steep hills initially which my horse couldn't reach. He did advance his elephants and some Spanish off which I managed to mostly dispatch with a mix of skirmishers and horse. We chased and fenced in several other sectors but ran out of time before I could regroup enough to try to finish him off.

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Re: Poll on army selection rules

Post by batesmotel » Tue Jul 02, 2019 2:48 am

I suspect if you get people who know some of the armies well, it shouldn't be hard to split them up into buckets or at least into groups like Klay has done. And no reason Pete has to do it. (I probably spent 15 minutes or less on the examples I did in my prior response and I suspect Klay didn't spend hours either. Some, like the Achaemenids are almost no brainers.

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Re: Early Middle Ages: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by rbodleyscott » Tue Jul 02, 2019 8:07 am

Division B

Frankish 771-887 with Viking 790-899 allies

Challenges posted for:
Nijis - Arab (Abbasid) 836-873
SpeedyCM - Rus 960-1053 with Polish 966-1057 allies
sunnyboy Byzantine 740-903

PW: Doom666

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Re: Biblical: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by harveylh » Tue Jul 02, 2019 1:33 pm

Division A

harveylh -Achaemenid Persian 545-481 BC challenges pantherboy - Kyrenean Greek 630-461 BC, password “bible”, PM sent.

harveylh -Achaemenid Persian 545-481 BC challenges XLegione - Carthaginian 550-411 BC, password “bible”, PM sent.

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Re: Poll on army selection rules

Post by Cunningcairn » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:17 pm

I really like Klay's and Chris' ideas of buckets.

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Re: Late Antiquity: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by Barrold713 » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:46 pm

Division C
Barrold713 - Numidian/Moorish 55 BC-6 AD challenges Bluefin - Frank 496-599 AD

PW: Minnesota

Cheers
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Re: Late Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Post by harveylh » Tue Jul 02, 2019 4:57 pm

Division A

harveylh - Arab City 300-633 AD defeats youngr - Ptolemaic 55-30 BC, 42-17

The relatively open map was tough for the Ptolemaic as it made the Arab Lancers even more effective.

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Re: Classical Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Post by General Shapur » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:54 pm

DiV D

General Shapur -Indian %00 BC - 319 AD defeats Barrold713 - Pergamene 190-129 BC: 42-7

An indian swarm. Thanks for the game.
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Re: Early Middle Ages: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by Triarii » Tue Jul 02, 2019 10:56 pm

Triarii - Dailami 928-1055 AD (Arab (Syria/Iraq) 1009-1150 AD allies)

Challenges
GDod - Ghaznavid 962-1187 AD (Turkish allies 600-1036 AD) pw = Delight
NikiforosFokas - Arab Conquest 638-684 AD (no allies) pw = Hotter

PM sent.

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Re: Biblical: winners post your results here . . .

Post by ianiow » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:47 pm

Div A

ianiow (of Arabia) defeated nyczar (Lydia) 40 vs 15

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Re: Biblical: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by ianiow » Tue Jul 02, 2019 11:55 pm

Div A

Games for Pantherboy and XLegione have been created vs my Arabs.

pw=ianiow

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Re: Early Middle Ages: winners post your results here

Post by harveylh » Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:13 am

Division A

harveylh - Arab (Umayyad) 685-750 AD (no allies) defeats GDod - Ghaznavid 962-1187 AD (Turkish allies 600-1036 AD), 44-15

Dailami infantry stood up to charging elephants though raw spear did not.

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Re: Classical Antiquity: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by Najanaja » Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:56 am

Div C
Najanaja (Roman 199 BC) challenge for lydianed (Gallic 300-101 BC).
pw = lydian. pm sent.

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Re: Biblical: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by sunnyboy » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:14 am

Division A
sunnyboy (Phoenician 681-539 BC) challenges pantherboy (Kyrenean Greek 630-461BC)
PW: pantherboy
sunnyboy (Phoenician 681-539 BC) challenges nyczar (Lydian 550-546 BC)
PW: nyczar

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Re: Late Antiquity: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by sunnyboy » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:32 am

Division C

Sunnyboy (Ostrogoths 493-561 AD) challenges Bluefin (Frank 496-599 AD) PW: Bluefin

Sunnyboy (Ostrogoths 493-561 AD) challenges Barrold713 (Numidian/Moorish 55 BC-6 AD) PW: Barrold

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Re: Classical Antiquity: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by sunnyboy » Wed Jul 03, 2019 9:49 am

Division C
Sunnyboy - Jewish 167-164 BC challenges Breogan - Greek (Mercenary) 460-281 BC PW: Breogan
Sunnyboy - Jewish 167-164 BC challenges Geffalrus – Antigonid 320-301 BC PW: Geffalrus

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