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Re: Late Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Post by MikeMarchant » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:58 am

Supervark wrote:
Tue Jul 09, 2019 11:16 pm
Division D

Supervark (Lombards) yes the horsey types, Beat MikeMarchent (Romans) the footy types 49%-9%

The terrain did not favor the Romans being open on his right flank and middle while the left flank had scattered trees. Whittling the superior Roman units down with light troops was a boon even then they put up an incredibly tough fight when I attacked them. Fortunately, his right flank took a mauling and I was able to get some of my units in behind his army. Though his CinC performed heroics, at one point holding off 4 of my units, it was not to be for the Romans. Eventually, he attacked with a lot of auxiliaries from the woods but it was too little too late as I had finally managed to rout a couple more legionary units. A very interesting and enjoyable game thanks Mike
Taking to the field against a Gepid army is always a challenge for a Roman army that lacks auxiliary cavalry support. No German cavalry, no Gallic cavalry, no Sarmatians, just a few equites cohortales and equites alares. That’s not a matchup the Romans are going to win on an open field. And so it all comes down to terrain.

It wasn’t the worst, a flat open field, but nor was it the best. The Roman line anchored its left flank on a wood, but the right flank was open. An auxiliary heavy Roman force deployed medium foot in the woods on the left flank, in the woods even further left of those and in woods to the Roman rear near the right flank, to attempt to challenge any encirclement from the right.

And then the Romans waited.

The Gepids, clearly suspicious of the trees, kept well away from the Roman left and sent massed skirmishers to the Roman front backed up by vigilant lancers, and a strong force to encircle the right.

The Roman second line was stripped as they turned to meet the threat to their right flank, and the front line was scourged by Gepid skirmishers. It was a tough fight on the right flank, and Rome can be proud of its sons for the way they fought to protect the army, but they were always too few and too late. Even with support from the auxiliaries in the woods, the Gepids finally broke them down.

In the meantime, tired of the rain of missiles, the main line had advanced to push the lights away, but even a small advance was to put the army in danger. The Gepids skirmishers fled, but then returned to continue the harassment as they had before. The Romans could do nothing but fall back and reform their line.

The attrition on the legionaries was beginning to tell and while all of the Roman reserves were tied up in the battle for the Roman right, the Gepids started a tentative probe against the right side of the Roman main line.

Seeing what appeared to be a fairly helpless situation the Roman legatus ordered a general advance before it was too late. Remaining as they were the skirmishers were going to continue to slowly destroy the line and there was not much longer to go before the Gepids defeated the Roman forces fighting to preserve the Roman right and then the Romans would be surrounded and slaughtered.

The legions advanced at the same time as auxiliaries poured out of the woods to their left, taking to open country against Gepid lancers. Gepid lights and Gepid lancers retreated ahead of the advance and looked threatened by an encirclement themselves.

But it was too late.

The Roman right flank crumbled and Gepid lancers swarmed to the rear. Caught between hammer and anvil there was only one outcome and that was an outcome that would be met with the gnashing of teeth and the tearing of hair in the Forum Romanum.

A really tough battle this one, and yet again highlighting the weakness of Roman armies against horse armies without either solid cavalry support or sympathetic terrain. Supervark marshalled and manoeuvred his forces masterfully. I suspect the Romans were handicapped by my timidity too. I was left feeling that I ought to have advanced two turns earlier. If I had ordered that advance a little earlier we might have stood a chance – not a big chance, but a chance nonetheless.

Well done, Supervark, a well deserved victory and really fun battle to fight.


Best Wishes

Mike

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Re: Late Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Post by rexhurley » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:34 am

Division B

rexhurley (Numidians) defeats Xlegione 49/14 the terrain gods were not kind to the Huns once again

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Re: Early Middle Ages: winners post your results here

Post by desertedfox » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:54 am

Div C

desertedfox - Byzantine 988-1041 AD defeated KiFi - French 888-1049 AD - 40 to 13.

An interesting battle that seemed to end early with the French losing heart at 40% loses.

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Re: Late Antiquity: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by stockwellpete » Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:57 am

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Re: Late Antiquity: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by rexhurley » Wed Jul 10, 2019 12:05 pm

Division B

rexhurley (Numidians) challenges

SpeedyCM (Sassanids 350-476AD)
Triarii (Kingdom of Soissons 461-486 AD)

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Re: Late Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Post by sunnyboy » Wed Jul 10, 2019 2:12 pm

Division C

Sunnyboy (Ostrogoths 493-561 AD) beat Bluefin (Frank 496-599 AD) 49-8

Fortune did not smile on the Franks. While Frankish warbands would frag and rout in the blink of an eye. A fragged Gothic lancer would improbably survive multiple rounds of combat, disengage then rally back to steady in successive turns.

Thanks for the game!

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Re: Classical Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Post by uneducated » Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:52 pm

Division D

uneducated (Jewish 163-111 BC) defeated KiFi (Macedonian 320-261 BC) 60-41

The Battle of Swan Lake

This general began his battle, like every battle, afraid and feeling he would lose. In this, he is usually right, though on this occasion, he was wrong. In his tent before the battle, he instilled fear in the heart of his own army by praising the prowess of the Macedonian Phalanx and outlining how the Jews could never beat them toe-to-toe with their medium foot. He instructed his marshalls to assemble on the slopes of on the right, and to make their peace as they were unlikely to see another night through. This was to be their swan song, and it was fitting that the lake beside the slopes on which they were all to die took the form of a swan, or a duck.

By good fortune, the Jews were able to assemble a strong line with their archers on the hill behind them. As the Macedonians advanced, they prepared to die. Between them and eternity lay only a river. Methodically, the Macedonians advanced. The dance began. Nervous, last minute choreography by the Jews unsettled the men on the hill preparing to meet their maker. Macedonian heavy cavalry positioned themselves beautifully poised to utterly destroy the Jewsh line from a rear attack, if the North line fell.

The troops joined in battle. The Jewish missile men taunted and escaped unscathed up to the top of the hill, safe behind their line. Their success in escaping devestation early in the battle, meant their presence and speed was keenly felt at the end.

Somehow, after intense fighting, the Jewish West wall failed, the North wall had to withdraw in emergency, the fighting became piecemeal, and the Macedonian cavalry in particular were making mincemeat of isolated units. The remaining Macedonians were in great discipline and could defeat all around them, yet so few of their comrades were left, their heart for the battle was lost, though those gibbering Jews who surrounded them at the end could have been knocked over with a feather.

Who was the ugly duck, who the swan? It could have turned either way. At some point, the outcome of the ballet was decided and all that now remains is the echo of quiet applause heard in the rustles of the reeds round the lake.

Thank you, KiFi! You are a great dancer!

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Re: Early Middle Ages: winners post your results here

Post by Geffalrus » Wed Jul 10, 2019 4:16 pm

Division B

Geffalrus (Poles and Vikings) defeats sunnyboy (Byzantines) 47-11. Good game man. We'll definitely have to do a rematch sometime. :)

80% of the match was spent with very little action as the Byzantines didn't want to charge the Polish formation of shieldwalls and massed archers, and the Polish hadn't yet come up with a plan for how to catch the elusive horsemen. In the end, contact was forced when the Polish cavalry surged forward to catch a few wayward skirmishers, the pursuit of which drew them into direct conflict with some nearby Arab Auxilliary Lancers. While the Polish cavalry got absolutely manhandled by the Superior Frankish Lancers in the previous match, they did A LOT better when facing the lower quality lancers brought en masse by the Byzantine army. 60 point light spear cavalry is not too shabby provided you can throw it at cheaper cavalry. The better quality Byzantine lancers were held back by supporting Viking foot and massed archers. As night drew near, the Arab lancers crumbled just in time for the Polish army to claim a victory.

The Polish army corrals the Byzantines into a corner.
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Re: Classical Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Post by Geffalrus » Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:17 pm

uneducated wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:52 pm
Between them and eternity lay only a river.
Just an FYI as this was something I didn't fully understand until fairly recently...........all streams in the game counter Macedonian pikes and lancers to some extent. Your basic stream does not count as "open ground" which is required for the Deep Pike POA and the Lancer POA to activate. Without open ground, both those units lose 100 POA on impact. The pikes will continue to lose that 100 POA in melee as well. In essence, the 72 point pike fights about as well as a 42 point hoplite. And that's just the little stream. Large Streams will disrupt most mounted and heavy infantry units, making them easy prey for medium foot. And finally, Deep Streams disrupt every unit except foot skirmishers, I believe.

The only hope a Macedonian army really has at that point is luring you across the river, or hard marching to cross somewhere else to face you on open ground. The second option is my preferred strategy. However, that is extremely hard to do against the Jewish army because of all the cheap medium foot they can bring. If you line the banks of the stream with Irregular Foot and some Zealots, there will be no open spot for an easy crossing. They'll need to try and force their way across, and that means relying on small numbers of Offensive Spears. That's a contest you want, as medium foot and offensive spears are not the strongest parts of the Hellenistic roster.

Luring you across usually involves having a ranged unit advantage. However, that's almost impossible for the Macedonians to achieve because the Jewish list ALSO has about a billion archers. Park your archers in the stream and shoot anyone who comes near. Put a line of your cheap mediums behind them, and you'll have a very strong position. Nothing is an automatic win, but you'll force the Macedonian player to work A LOT harder to beat you.

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Re: Classical Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Post by uneducated » Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:23 pm

Geffalrus wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 5:17 pm
uneducated wrote:
Wed Jul 10, 2019 3:52 pm
Between them and eternity lay only a river.
Just an FYI as this was something I didn't fully understand until fairly recently...........all streams in the game counter Macedonian pikes and lancers to some extent. Your basic stream does not count as "open ground" which is required for the Deep Pike POA and the Lancer POA to activate. Without open ground, both those units lose 100 POA on impact. The pikes will continue to lose that 100 POA in melee as well. In essence, the 72 point pike fights about as well as a 42 point hoplite. And that's just the little stream. Large Streams will disrupt most mounted and heavy infantry units, making them easy prey for medium foot. And finally, Deep Streams disrupt every unit except foot skirmishers, I believe.

The only hope a Macedonian army really has at that point is luring you across the river, or hard marching to cross somewhere else to face you on open ground. The second option is my preferred strategy. However, that is extremely hard to do against the Jewish army because of all the cheap medium foot they can bring. If you line the banks of the stream with Irregular Foot and some Zealots, there will be no open spot for an easy crossing. They'll need to try and force their way across, and that means relying on small numbers of Offensive Spears. That's a contest you want, as medium foot and offensive spears are not the strongest parts of the Hellenistic roster.

Luring you across usually involves having a ranged unit advantage. However, that's almost impossible for the Macedonians to achieve because the Jewish list ALSO has about a billion archers. Park your archers in the stream and shoot anyone who comes near. Put a line of your cheap mediums behind them, and you'll have a very strong position. Nothing is an automatic win, but you'll force the Macedonian player to work A LOT harder to beat you.
Oh, Geffalrus, thank you! If only you had been there...

Field of Glory could greatly benefit from enabling a third party view so that people could watch and comment on moves as they happen.

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Re: Biblical: winners post your results here . . .

Post by desertedfox » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:41 pm

Div B

desertedfox - Egyptian 570-525 BC defeated MikeMUC - Assyrian 62 - 49

Truly incredible contest. At one stage I was like 45 to 25 down and looking at a big defeat.

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Re: Biblical: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by desertedfox » Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:46 pm

Div B

desertedfox - Egyptian 570-525 BC challenges

Ulysisgrunt - Cypriot 680-550 BC

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Re: Early Middle Ages: winners post your results here

Post by deve » Thu Jul 11, 2019 12:49 am

Div C
deve (Dailami) defeated batesmotel (Khorasanian) 44-19

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Re: Classical Antiquity: winners post your results here . . .

Post by harveylh » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:38 am

Division A

harveylh - Ptolemaic 166-56 BC defeats ruskicanuk - Indo-Greek 175-10 BC, 50-23.

The Ptolemaic pikes were helped greatly by a relatively open battlefield and Cretan archers disrupted a key elephant charge before it could turn the tide. Good and tough game.

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Re: Early Middle Ages: winners post your results here

Post by edb1815 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:39 am

Div C

edb1815 (Arab North Africa) defeated General Shapur (Ghaznavid) 49% - 17%

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Re: Early Middle Ages: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by edb1815 » Thu Jul 11, 2019 2:44 am

Div C

edb1815 - Arab North Africa 1000-1160 AD (Byzantine 988-1041 AD allies)

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Ulysisgrunt - Khazar 738-969

KiFi - French 888-1049

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Re: Early Middle Ages: winners post your results here

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Re: Early Middle Ages: arrange your matches here . . .

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Re: Late Antiquity: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by NikiforosFokas » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:11 am

Div A
NikiforosFokas Jew's against Nosy_Rat Huns.
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Re: Late Antiquity: arrange your matches here . . .

Post by NikiforosFokas » Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:15 am

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NikiforosFokas Jew's against nyczar Scots.
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