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Sassanid Persians ?

Post by Keith » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:11 pm

I have just got the rule book and the Rise of Rome army list.
I have an old WAB army that I might rebase for FOG , Sassanid Persians.

I'm going to work off the Parthian list for now ?

Can anyone help me work out what my levy spearmen with bad hats are ? Medium Foot ? So 3 figure/base or 4 ?

Frome the Parthian list they could be Hillmen ?

What book are the Sassanids in and is it out yet/soon ?


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Post by hammy » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:20 pm

The FoG Sassanid list will be in the Legions Triumphant book so not too long to wait.

Levy spear are either poor, protected, undrilled, heavy foot, defensive spearmen or poor, protected, undrilled, mob.

There are hillmen in the Sassanid list but the chaps with silly hats should really be levy spear. It is up to you if you treat them as heavy foot or mob. You could base six of seven figures on a mob base then use them as either two ranks of heavy foot or one base of mob.

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Re: Sassanid Persians ?

Post by rbodleyscott » Thu Feb 14, 2008 12:21 pm

Keith wrote:Can anyone help me work out what my levy spearmen with bad hats are ? Medium Foot ? So 3 figure/base or 4 ?
You get the choice of them being either

Heavy Foot, Protected, Undrilled, Poor, Defensive Spearmen (60mm x 20mm - 4 to a base if they will fit, less if they won't)

or

Mob, Protected, Undrilled, Poor (60mm x 40mm - 5 to 8 to a base if they will fit, less if they won't)

8-12 bases per battle group in either case.

The Heavy Foot version aren't too bad, and are useable in the line of battle as long as you don't expect them to take on good quality enemy foot and don't expect them to last too long. The Mob are really just filler to make up the numbers and hide at the back.

What book are the Sassanids in and is it out yet/soon ?
Legions Triumphant - due out in June 2008

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Re: Sassanid Persians ?

Post by JPI » Thu Feb 14, 2008 3:13 pm

rbodleyscott wrote:Heavy Foot, Protected, Undrilled, Poor, Defensive Spearmen
I recently read many articles about Sassanians in Slingshot and I just wonder if an option to upgrade this HF to "average" will be fine (i.e. "historic").

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Re: Sassanid Persians ?

Post by rbodleyscott » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:28 pm

JPI wrote:
rbodleyscott wrote:Heavy Foot, Protected, Undrilled, Poor, Defensive Spearmen
I recently read many articles about Sassanians in Slingshot and I just wonder if an option to upgrade this HF to "average" will be fine (i.e. "historic")
We discussed this and decided that it is really pushing the evidence.

We accept that Sassanid infantry was better than it has been portrayed in the past, but let's not get carried away.
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Re: Sassanid Persians ?

Post by JPI » Thu Feb 14, 2008 5:46 pm

What seems odd is that MF Bowmen are average and at the same time HF Spearmen are poor. In fact, I'm convinced that HF Spearmen are not a super mob (i.e. trained peasants with spears vs untrained peasants with improvised weapons), but a completely different kind of infantry. In fact a new infantry missing in the WRG lists.

Anyway, OK, I understand your point of view.

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Re: Sassanid Persians ?

Post by rbodleyscott » Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:42 pm

JPI wrote:In fact, I'm convinced that HF Spearmen are not a super mob (i.e. trained peasants with spears vs untrained peasants with improvised weapons), but a completely different kind of infantry. In fact a new infantry missing in the WRG lists.
We think that the evidence presented for such infantry (other than dismounted cavalry) is very weak.

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Post by Keith » Fri Feb 15, 2008 1:58 pm

Ok thanks for the help guys.
I'm going to rebase my funny hat guys as Heavy Foot, Protected, Undrilled, Poor, Defensive Spearmen
So roughy how many stands of them will I need for an army ?

I'm looking forward to digging them out and seeing how they look. They are all gripping beast figures ,the Catphracts are very chunky.

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Post by hammy » Fri Feb 15, 2008 2:12 pm

Keith wrote:Ok thanks for the help guys.
I'm going to rebase my funny hat guys as Heavy Foot, Protected, Undrilled, Poor, Defensive Spearmen
So roughy how many stands of them will I need for an army ?

I'm looking forward to digging them out and seeing how they look. They are all gripping beast figures ,the Catphracts are very chunky.
I doubt you will have too many ;)

The Gripping beast Sassanids are really nice figures, it should make a pretty army.

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Post by nikgaukroger » Fri Feb 15, 2008 3:57 pm

Keith wrote:
Ok thanks for the help guys.
I'm going to rebase my funny hat guys as Heavy Foot, Protected, Undrilled, Poor, Defensive Spearmen
So roughy how many stands of them will I need for an army ?
Up to 24 bases.

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Post by shall » Fri Feb 15, 2008 6:08 pm

Very nice army in FOG the Sassanids

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Post by Keith » Sat Feb 16, 2008 12:21 am

Hi all
I just counted what I have painted for WAB , they need a bit of touch up , a few spears missing etc.
But it will be a good job to rebase and get them out on the table.
Can we post photos on this forum ?

I have

40x Infantry with bad hats :D
8 archers
20 Cataphracts (Does fog have a seperate troop type for Clibinari ?)
8 Camels
2 Elephants
18 Horse Archers

So I think I'll have to get a few more infantry and archers ?
Do I have enough Cataphracts ?

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Post by hazelbark » Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:44 am

Keith wrote:
20 Cataphracts (Does fog have a seperate troop type for Clibinari ?)

Do I have enough Cataphracts ?
In FoG clibinari are cataphract cavalry. Quite effective in their period, but not categorized as Knights as some other rules. THese are more like cavalry than knights in FoG.

I suspect that is plenty.

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Post by malekithau » Sat Feb 16, 2008 7:34 am

The poor foot in big 12 base BGs are quite effective. Quantity has a quality all its own. Just don't expect to win for you

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Post by Keith » Sat Feb 16, 2008 11:58 am

Ok thanks
so the foot would be HF , but I don't think I can fit 4 figures on a 60mmx20mm base ?
So I should just use 3 ?

I think I have the same problem with the Cataphracts , the Gripping Beast cav are like hippos , I don't think I can fit 3 on a 60mm base ???
And only 40mm depth might be pushing it as well ?

I have some old glory Cataphracts for my Imperial Romans , they are quite thin and might be persuaded to fit on a 60mm wide base , but my gripping beast ones.. probably no way.

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Post by hazelbark » Sat Feb 16, 2008 2:05 pm

Keith wrote:Ok thanks
so the foot would be HF , but I don't think I can fit 4 figures on a 60mmx20mm base ?
So I should just use 3 ?

I think I have the same problem with the Cataphracts , the Gripping Beast cav are like hippos , I don't think I can fit 3 on a 60mm base ???
And only 40mm depth might be pushing it as well ?
My gripping beats fit. They alternate slightly forward and slightly back as the the riders feet are overlapping.

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Post by bigredbat » Sat Feb 16, 2008 3:42 pm

I managed to fit 3 abreast, but foung I needed to increase the base depth to 60mm to protect the figures.

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Post by Keith » Fri Feb 29, 2008 11:10 pm

Hi all
Here is what I have so far , just rebasing now and will need a few more figures to finish them off.
What would you add to the list to bring it up to 650 points ?
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Post by malekithau » Sat Mar 01, 2008 4:00 am

Medium foot - mid eastern guys with javs probably 6 bases would do the job
Light foot - archers x 6 - 8 bases

Haven't worked the points but to give the army a bit of flexibility.

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Post by karakhanid » Sat Mar 01, 2008 9:04 am

Can we post photos on this forum ?
See AAR subforum.
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