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Late Assyrian HI question

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:45 am
by jrd
Quick question - do you have a view yet on how you are likely to classify later Assyrian HI? Opinion seems to be divided among rule-writers whether they operated in mixed units of spear and bow or not. Do you have a view on this yet? I'd like ot know whether I need to buy a lot of bow to add to my existing DBM Assyrian army, where they are graded as Sp with Ps support...

Thanks,

John

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:48 am
by hammy
I suspect that you will need to be buying some more archers.

It looks like they will be front rank heavy foot spear, rear rank medium foot bow which will at least give them a reasonable amount of missile fire, something they seem to have had historically.

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 6:54 am
by tamerlane
What sort of spear is the front rank going to be - Light Spear?

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 7:17 am
by hammy
Most likely light spear.

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:06 am
by OldenTired
hammy wrote:I suspect that you will need to be buying some more archers.

It looks like they will be front rank heavy foot spear, rear rank medium foot bow which will at least give them a reasonable amount of missile fire, something they seem to have had historically.
any chance they'll be able to have slings in the same support role? (i'm assuming we're talking about the sargonids).

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:33 am
by rbodleyscott
OldenTired wrote:
hammy wrote:I suspect that you will need to be buying some more archers.

It looks like they will be front rank heavy foot spear, rear rank medium foot bow which will at least give them a reasonable amount of missile fire, something they seem to have had historically.
any chance they'll be able to have slings in the same support role? (i'm assuming we're talking about the sargonids).
Absolutely not. Heavy slingers seem only to have been used in sieges and were probably dismounted charioteers.

Apart from Guards the foot are front rank HF (tower shields) or MF (smaller round shields) light spear, swordsmen, rear rank MF bow.

Thanks

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:06 pm
by jrd
Thanks for the help. More archers it is, then...

John

Thanks

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 12:12 pm
by jrd
Thanks for the help. More archers it is, then...

And, hopefully, FoG will portray the Assyrian army to an infantry army with a few supporting chariots and cavalry, rather than a chariot and cavalry army with a handfull of supporting infantry as it is in DBM, grrr... :-)

John

Re: Thanks

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 1:23 pm
by rbodleyscott
jrd wrote:Thanks for the help. More archers it is, then...

And, hopefully, FoG will portray the Assyrian army to an infantry army with a few supporting chariots and cavalry, rather than a chariot and cavalry army with a handfull of supporting infantry as it is in DBM, grrr... :-)
The list allows it to be fielded either way. The central armies did have rather a lot of chariots and cavalry!

Re: Thanks

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:26 pm
by hazelbark
rbodleyscott wrote: The list allows it to be fielded either way. The central armies did have rather a lot of chariots and cavalry!
What's a good source for reading on this period of the assyrian army? :?:

Re: Thanks

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 5:27 pm
by jrd
rbodleyscott wrote:
jrd wrote:Thanks for the help. More archers it is, then...

And, hopefully, FoG will portray the Assyrian army to an infantry army with a few supporting chariots and cavalry, rather than a chariot and cavalry army with a handfull of supporting infantry as it is in DBM, grrr... :-)
The list allows it to be fielded either way. The central armies did have rather a lot of chariots and cavalry!
Really? I'm no expert but the figures I've seen suggest a ratio of at least 10:1 infantry to cavalry, and a lot more cavalry than chariots. I'd be most interested if you could point me at sources which suggest differently.

Thanks,

John

Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 8:02 pm
by OldenTired
rbodleyscott wrote:
OldenTired wrote:
any chance they'll be able to have slings in the same support role? (i'm assuming we're talking about the sargonids).
Absolutely not. Heavy slingers seem only to have been used in sieges and were probably dismounted charioteers.

Apart from Guards the foot are front rank HF (tower shields) or MF (smaller round shields) light spear, swordsmen, rear rank MF bow.
ah. there's my bad reading again.