Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by Yaitz331 » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:51 pm

devoncop wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:05 pm
jimwinsor wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:24 pm
Antigonus son of Seleucus, ie, the eastern Antigonus, finds in favor of brave Judea in the current Arabian War, and pledges non aggression with our Judean neighbors while they sort this out (with more aid under active consideration ...).
Given the fact that Judea is not a challenger in the Legacy tables to the Seleucids this "independent adjudication" comes as little surprise :wink:
I believe nations have the right to side with the morally correct side regardless of other factors?
And, given your constant hindrance of our affairs, it is quite hypocritical to complain about other nations helping in our affairs.
Other nations must judge the facts of the case with rather less self interest......
Alright then, let us do so.
Did Judea invade and occupy the Arabian Port city before Arabia took any land from Judea......"Yes"
When a foreign nation declares war on you, you have the right to respond. And, given that you expressly permitted us to do so in diplomatic negotiations, to complain about this now is utterly hypocritical.
Did Judea attack Arabia despite the Arabians having the Ptolemaics as their allies......yes
Arabia attacked Judea with no provocation. Cease spreading your wicked fabrications.
Did Egypt proactively declare war of Judea ....No
Yes, they did. We were waging war with Arabia, within Ptolemy's own guidelines, when Ptolemy declared war on us without warning or reason to do so.
Was Egypt automatically considered at war because of its Alliance with Arabia who was in a defensive war............"Yes"
Arabia was in an aggressive war.
Egypt rests its case..........
And Judea has now conclusively disproven every point that the wicked, self-serving Ptolemy has made.

Let no people be fooled by Ptolemy's clear lies. Let every nation join in our righteous war of purest self-defense against a hostile foreign power, who we have made every effort to stay at peace with. As the Holy One, Blessed be He, destroyed Egypt in ancient times to rescue His people, so too shall he destroy Egypt now to rescue His people.

Judea has no fear of heathen, wicked nations, for God is with us.

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by devoncop » Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:52 pm

Geffalrus wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 4:47 pm
I go on a road trip for 1 day and this is what I come back to??????
Never a dull moment in the Midddle East.....you should know that :D

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by Geffalrus » Mon Aug 19, 2019 6:24 pm

jimwinsor wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:24 pm
Antigonus son of Seleucus, ie, the eastern Antigonus, finds in favor of brave Judea in the current Arabian War, and pledges non aggression with our Judean neighbors while they sort this out (with more aid under active consideration ...).
The general's council ruling the Antigonid Kingdom of Phrygia, Anatolia, Cilicia, Macedon, and Thrace (while the Basileus lies "sick in bed") stands with their eastern brethren in demanding an explanation from the Ptolemaic court for this unnecessary aggression towards Judea. The Lagid military expedition to assist the beleagured Saba is truly a mission of mercy, which the international community clearly appreciates. However, the Arabian alliance is a means to that end.........not the end itself. The Judeans are a favored partner in this region, charged with maintaining order between the religious sects, desert bandits, and wealthy merchants that make up the population. Their cause is also just.

The Council of the Strategoi hope that this is merely a diplomatic mistake.......a trick of the divine mechanics perhaps........that will be rectified soon. And peace restored. Alexander's Empire must stand strong and turn our proper attentions at external barbarians.

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by devoncop » Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:44 pm

Egypt reiterates that its troops will not and have not taken part in any offensive operations against the Judeans and nor do they intend to.

They will merely defend the territory of their ally against Judean attacks.

It is hoped this is clear to those concerned states that Egypt is no aggressor.

The fact Egypt has found itself at war because of the "Divine mechanics" as the Antigonid Council alludes is the clearest evidence possible that Arabia was no aggressor other than its endemic raiding operations.

As proof our achivists produce the following from a diplomatic pouch received by envoy from the Judean High Priests on the 12th August in response to Egyptian protests over Judean hositle operations against the Arabians :

If you wish us to merely build fortifications on the border and to ignore Arabia's aggressive actions, then you would be expected to pay us the high cost of building fortifications rather then simply dealing with a clear enemy. If you will pay the coast of constructing fortifications and dealing with repeated raids, then we will happily do so. Until then, we have no wish of throwing out money simply to satisfy the whims of a man who has already intervened in our affairs innumerable times.

In addition, I repeat: If your concern is solely with reaching Saba, Judea will agree to capture only one coastal region from Arabia before making peace.


The issue of raiding ....clearly used as a pretext by the Judeans to achieve a red sea port and easily preventable by basic fortifications may have annoyed the priests but the communication is clear as to which party was intent on war. It was not Arabia.

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by Yaitz331 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 5:06 am

devoncop wrote:
Mon Aug 19, 2019 8:44 pm
Egypt reiterates that its troops will not and have not taken part in any offensive operations against the Judeans and nor do they intend to.

They will merely defend the territory of their ally against Judean attacks.
In diplomatic negotiations on August 12, you have stated, quote:
Egypt will remain out of any Arabian/ Judean conflict for now unless Judea tries to take the Arabian Capital.
As such, to "defend your ally against Judean attacks" in the lack of any Judean attempt to seize the Arabian capital is breaking out agreement and, as such, is an aggressive declaration of war.
In addition, even if you should not engage in offensive operations, your puppet Nabatea will most certainly follow your lead in declaring war, and WILL engage in offensive operations.
It is hoped this is clear to those concerned states that Egypt is no aggressor.
It is hoped it is clear to those concerned states the Egypt is very definitely an aggressor.
The fact Egypt has found itself at war because of the "Divine mechanics" as the Antigonid Council alludes is the clearest evidence possible that Arabia was no aggressor other than its endemic raiding operations.
If it is true that you were pulled into the war by aggressive Judean activity, then why did it take several years for you to declare war on Judea?
As proof our achivists produce the following from a diplomatic pouch received by envoy from the Judean High Priests on the 12th August in response to Egyptian protests over Judean hositle operations against the Arabians :

If you wish us to merely build fortifications on the border and to ignore Arabia's aggressive actions, then you would be expected to pay us the high cost of building fortifications rather then simply dealing with a clear enemy. If you will pay the coast of constructing fortifications and dealing with repeated raids, then we will happily do so. Until then, we have no wish of throwing out money simply to satisfy the whims of a man who has already intervened in our affairs innumerable times.

In addition, I repeat: If your concern is solely with reaching Saba, Judea will agree to capture only one coastal region from Arabia before making peace.

The issue of raiding ....clearly used as a pretext by the Judeans to achieve a red sea port and easily preventable by basic fortifications may have annoyed the priests but the communication is clear as to which party was intent on war. It was not Arabia.
As Ptolemy appears to be allergic to context, here is the Ptolemaic message which prompted that reply:
Firstly Egypt had no control over Arabia regarding its raiding. Indeed Nabatea also suffered from this and Nubia also raided Egyptian regions in the border regularly until appropriate fortifications were built. Perhaps as Judea is happy to advise Egypt on its Navy the High Priests would appreciate advice from Egyptian experts on fortifications?

Secondly on what basis should Egypt pay Judea for the actions of a nation it did not control?

Thirdly Judea can simply fortify its border with Arabia and then destroy any Arabian forces as they try to besiege it. There is no need to take any Arabian province unless of course the whole move West is to obtain a Red Sea port originally demanded by Judea from Nabatea at the beginning of the game? Or am I bring overly cynical?
This, in turn, was in response to the following Judean statement:
Arabia has raided us multiple times, and then dared to declare war on us, utterly unprovoked. You now demand of us that we respond to unprovoked aggression by simply giving in. Do you not see how incredible this demand is on us? To respond to multiple aggressive acts, and then even to all-out war, with simple acquiescence?
To anyone with half a brain, this statement is very clear on the aggressive Arabian declaration of war, IN ADDITION to the constant raiding. The raiding was only a minor factor, while the aggressive Arabian declaration of war was the primary cause.
In addition, Ptolemy's third statement in our quoted communication is quite obviously based on the assumption that Judea's primary goal is defensive. So Ptolemy has not only taken a small factor and put that on a pedestal as the sole reason for war, but Ptolemy has quite clearly agreed in diplomatic negotiations on the defensive nature of Judea's operations, and to insinuate now that Judea's actions were aggressive is to desperately backpedal to justify an aggressive Ptolemaic declaration of war.

Egypt has evidently not changed in the one and a half thousand years since they enslaved our ancestors. And, just as God saved us then, he will save us now.

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by devoncop » Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:26 am

It would appear Ptolemaic/Judean relations are at the " full and frank discussions" stage.

Egypt will consult with her allies and establish if a peaceful resolution is in fact possible (and if Judea is even interested in such a peace)......

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by Yaitz331 » Tue Aug 20, 2019 7:00 am

devoncop wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 6:26 am
It would appear Ptolemaic/Judean relations are at the " full and frank discussions" stage.
I notice Ptolemy has given up on arguing his transparently false claim. Truth has, once again, prevailed.
Egypt will consult with her allies and establish if a peaceful resolution is in fact possible (and if Judea is even interested in such a peace)......
Judea awaits Ptolemy's offer. However, until said offer is extended, we will not hesitate to continue conducting the war.

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by devoncop » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:37 am

Away from the "little local difficulty" of the events in and around Arabia it seems a new regional conflict, drawing in several nations may be unfolding over the Syracuse land grab in Italy......

The Seleucuds remain occupied with the ferocious war in the East...
Meanwhile the locust like Antigonids now launch repeated assaults on isolated (but wealthy) Rhodes.....

In the midst of all this a Pictish cruise ship floats serenely past Alexandria towards the melting pot that is Judea,Nabatea and Arabia .....

Could things get more bizarre ?

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by Yaitz331 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:41 am

devoncop wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:37 am
In the midst of all this a Pictish cruise ship floats serenely past Alexandria towards the melting pot that is Judea,Nabatea and Arabia .....
Hey, wanna visit a Judean party?
Only barrier to entry is joining in war against Ptolemy.

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by devoncop » Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:13 am

Yaitz331 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:41 am
devoncop wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:37 am
In the midst of all this a Pictish cruise ship floats serenely past Alexandria towards the melting pot that is Judea,Nabatea and Arabia .....
Hey, wanna visit a Judean party?
Only barrier to entry is joining in war against Ptolemy.
Sounds less like a Party and more like a lynch mob :cry:

It will be noted that Egypt has again restrained her armed forces commanders from striking Judean held lands despite a capability to do so.

If Judea complains of Nabatean troops now becoming involved this is because our loyal client does not appreciate her protector being put up as a punch ball for any nation that decides it fancies some desert in its portfolio.....

If Judea wants peace she only has to ask.....Nabatea will then cease hostilities immediately.

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by Yaitz331 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:23 am

devoncop wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 9:13 am
Sounds less like a Party and more like a lynch mob :cry:
It is always a cause to celebrate when nations join to take down evildoers.
It will be noted that Egypt has again restrained her armed forces commanders from striking Judean held lands despite a capability to do so.
It will also be noted that Judea had restrained her armed forces commanders from capturing the Arabian capital despite a capability to do so, as per the agreement made in good faith between Judea and Ptolemy.
If Judea complains of Nabatean troops now becoming involved this is because our loyal client does not appreciate her protector being put up as a punch ball for any nation that decides it fancies some desert in its portfolio.....
ARABIA ATTACKED JUDEA. WE DID NOT START THIS WAR.
And, given that your declaration of war forces us to prosecute war against Nabatea, who will likely not restrain itself from attacking Judean lands, I would not refer to you as their "protector", a label which implies you protect them.
If Judea wants peace she only has to ask.....Nabatea will then cease hostilities immediately.
Surely Ptolemy is aware that client states cannot conduct their own foreign affairs. Their "protector" does that for them. We cannot ask Nabatea for peace separately from you, and you have not yet offered peace terms.

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by devoncop » Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:49 am

"Surely Ptolemy is aware that client states cannot conduct their own foreign affairs. Their "protector" does that for them. We cannot ask Nabatea for peace separately from you, and you have not yet offered peace terms".


Quite correct.

We are ready to accept peace on behalf of ourselves and Nabatea as soon as Judea decides she wishes to avoid further bloodshed.........

We are still waiting...........

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by Yaitz331 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 1:31 pm

devoncop wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:49 am
"Surely Ptolemy is aware that client states cannot conduct their own foreign affairs. Their "protector" does that for them. We cannot ask Nabatea for peace separately from you, and you have not yet offered peace terms".

Quite correct.

We are ready to accept peace on behalf of ourselves and Nabatea as soon as Judea decides she wishes to avoid further bloodshed.........

We are still waiting...........
Ptolemy is the one who has violated the peace, by reneging on the deal that we would be permitted to take land from Arabia as long as we did not attempt to capture the capital.

We will accept peace as soon as Ptolemy offers a return to that deal, plus reimbursement for breaking the peace. We will accept nothing less.

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by devoncop » Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:44 pm

That is at least clear.

Ptolemy thanks the High Priests for their candour and the head of the Royal Army General Staff asks to pass on that he looks forward to seeing them in person very soon..... :wink:

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by loki100 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:16 pm

devoncop wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:37 am
Away from the "little local difficulty" of the events in and around Arabia it seems a new regional conflict, drawing in several nations may be unfolding over the Syracuse land grab in Italy......

The Seleucuds remain occupied with the ferocious war in the East...
Meanwhile the locust like Antigonids now launch repeated assaults on isolated (but wealthy) Rhodes.....

In the midst of all this a Pictish cruise ship floats serenely past Alexandria towards the melting pot that is Judea,Nabatea and Arabia .....

Could things get more bizarre ?
if any one wishes to hire us ... 8)

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by devoncop » Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:24 pm

loki100 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:16 pm
devoncop wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:37 am
Away from the "little local difficulty" of the events in and around Arabia it seems a new regional conflict, drawing in several nations may be unfolding over the Syracuse land grab in Italy......

The Seleucuds remain occupied with the ferocious war in the East...
Meanwhile the locust like Antigonids now launch repeated assaults on isolated (but wealthy) Rhodes.....

In the midst of all this a Pictish cruise ship floats serenely past Alexandria towards the melting pot that is Judea,Nabatea and Arabia .....

Could things get more bizarre ?
if any one wishes to hire us ... 8)
Have the Picts eaten all their rivals locally ?

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by Yaitz331 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:01 pm

devoncop wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 4:44 pm
That is at least clear.

Ptolemy thanks the High Priests for their candour and the head of the Royal Army General Staff asks to pass on that he looks forward to seeing them in person very soon..... :wink:
If Ptolemy wants war, then war is what Ptolemy will get. As it says in Psalms, "These by chariots and these by horses, but we will win in the Name of the Lord."
loki100 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:16 pm
if any one wishes to hire us ... 8)
How many units do you have, and how much money do you want?
Send me a PM.

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by devoncop » Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:36 pm

[quote=Yaitz331 post_id=801611 time=1566410460 user_id=215163
loki100 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 5:16 pm
if any one wishes to hire us ... 8)
How many units do you have, and how much money do you want?
[/quote]


Desperate stuff :roll:

A full consignment of Iron Brew and a case of the hard stuff is already reserved for the kilted ones in Ptolemy's Palace.

Whole wagon loads of Judean gold cannot compare with such delights.....😉

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by Yaitz331 » Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:54 pm

devoncop wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:36 pm
Desperate stuff :roll:

A full consignment of Iron Brew and a case of the hard stuff is already reserved for the kilted ones in Ptolemy's Palace.

Whole wagon loads of Judean gold cannot compare with such delights.....😉
We got something more exotic: Date beer (yes that's a thing)!
You know, and actual money. :mrgreen:

Also, I notice that Ptolemy mocks us for being "desperate" and then proceeds to try to get the Picts on their side too.

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Re: Arranging MP Game....Interested ?

Post by devoncop » Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:52 pm

Yaitz331 wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:54 pm
devoncop wrote:
Wed Aug 21, 2019 6:36 pm
Desperate stuff :roll:

A full consignment of Iron Brew and a case of the hard stuff is already reserved for the kilted ones in Ptolemy's Palace.

Whole wagon loads of Judean gold cannot compare with such delights.....😉
We got something more exotic: Date beer (yes that's a thing)!
You know, and actual money. :mrgreen:

Also, I notice that Ptolemy mocks us for being "desperate" and then proceeds to try to get the Picts on their side too.

Now if you had offered Egypt date beer at the beginning you could have had Jerusalem and Palestine turn 1 :wink:

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