Thanks for the info, Paul! No problem, we'll leave it as it is.Paul59 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 10, 2021 7:49 pm You can't easily replace the forest 3d objects with the single leafless tree model unfortunately. The forest object contains multiple trees, there is obviously only one tree in the single leafless tree model.
The 3d models are encrypted, so can't be modified even if you knew how. So you would need some serious 3D modding skills to create a new bare forest object from scratch.
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
Strange, I'm not getting it with my version of the mod:
Your white bits are on what should be an open tile, it's not a marsh tile, so I don't know what can be causing that. It's not a snow texture though, that is a completely separate terrain folder, they can't mix and match by themselves.
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
I'm confused, is this the same mod that DestructoRama shows in the comments section on Steam for this game?!? I wished I could link to it, the thread is titled "Graphical Improvement."
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
Yes.
That was a separate conversation, showing Field of Glory II using the Tex Mod and a couple shots of Medieval using FoG II terrain. I was needing a break the other night so I kinda got sidetracked. There's a specific Steam thread about this mod here and I'll bump it once we get everything completed:
https://steamcommunity.com/app/1368870/ ... 773778233/
The updates are mostly posted here, so if you want to keep an eye on it, this is the place to look.
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
I started fresh and somehow got it fixed. I don't know how because after about two hours of slowly adding things from the mod and checking the map, it just ended up working. I couldn't track down what file was causing it. The odd thing was, that as far as I could tell, I didn't add anything different.
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
Got the Marsh vegetation to where I wanted it, looks and density wise. There's four types of flora.The plants aren't so dense as to bury the water nor so thin that it looks naked. Learned a lot about what those Bushes SF4 files did. I was under the impression they all had to do with the dirt mound around the crops, come to find out only one controls that.
I like this Marsh much better than the old one, Paul, now that I can control how much water shows. With all the Medieval Bushes SF4s installed it's too much. So I found a happy medium with a combo from each game. The only thing I would like to do is replace/adjust the texture around the water in the marsh. It looks so cartoony compared to everything else. I tried some tests but they wouldn't show in game. I think it has to do with the TEX1_C and TEX1_S files. I have no idea how to adjust/change them.
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I like this Marsh much better than the old one, Paul, now that I can control how much water shows. With all the Medieval Bushes SF4s installed it's too much. So I found a happy medium with a combo from each game. The only thing I would like to do is replace/adjust the texture around the water in the marsh. It looks so cartoony compared to everything else. I tried some tests but they wouldn't show in game. I think it has to do with the TEX1_C and TEX1_S files. I have no idea how to adjust/change them.
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
Mensch Mord, the marsh looks terrific!
Love the second pic with the water reflections, I almost hear the mosquitos buzzing.
Love the second pic with the water reflections, I almost hear the mosquitos buzzing.
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
I have also encouraged myself to do my tests.
I like things from both games and have merged them. basically the flat terrain (in Medieval FOGII the terrain seems painted) and the steep slopes. Oh of course I removed the mutant lettuces from the roads!
I like things from both games and have merged them. basically the flat terrain (in Medieval FOGII the terrain seems painted) and the steep slopes. Oh of course I removed the mutant lettuces from the roads!
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Thanks. I changed all the grasses and the cattails etc. The Texture sheet looks like a complete mess LOL but it comes out ok in game.
That's great, man. That is the beauty/curse of modding, you can make it how you want. It can lead down many rabbit holes. I fully expect once this mod is complete people will replace what they want until it fits their tastes.
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
Got curious to see what I could do with messing with the snow. Came up with this as a rough two hour test run. Found a way to make Normal Maps and trying to dial it in. The terrain ain't bad for my first time.
@Paul, Could you please tell me what kind of files the Spec01 etc. are in the TILES folder. I understand that they are DDS files, but I need to know what exactly that kind of editing is called so I can research how to make them. EX The Normal Maps are saved as DDS but called Normal Maps.
Here's the links for the Normal Map maker, Adebar, if you are interested. If you need any hints on using it let me know. I got it to where I am not over doing it with the bumping.
Basic Tutorial:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgiyr2cMq-s
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http://cpetry.github.io/NormalMap-Online/
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
I don't know anymore than you on that one unfortunately. Obviously the spec maps are the dds files marked TEX1_S and TEX2_S etc, but beyond that I don't know.Mord wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 11:10 am
@Paul, Could you please tell me what kind of files the Spec01 etc. are in the TILES folder. I understand that they are DDS files, but I need to know what exactly that kind of editing is called so I can research how to make them. EX The Normal Maps are saved as DDS but called Normal Maps.
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
They're all dds.
base0 is dxt1, TEX1 and TEX2, base1-7 are dxt5.
Normals maps are all dxt1
Spec maps are actually the spec in RGB and gloss in the alpha, DXT5, but I barely use them in Medieval terrain as its supposed to represent gouache type paint.
I could of used DXT3 for the spec and colour but its pointless as the decompression of DXT5 is actually faster. You can't use dxt1 with embedded alpha without adding a # to the end of the name and changing all your references in the scripts. I wouldn't bother as the results are poor.
Naming conventions are hold overs from Pike & Shot so a little inconsistent. _N are normal, _S are spec, _C is a control for water.
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base0 is dxt1, TEX1 and TEX2, base1-7 are dxt5.
Normals maps are all dxt1
Spec maps are actually the spec in RGB and gloss in the alpha, DXT5, but I barely use them in Medieval terrain as its supposed to represent gouache type paint.
I could of used DXT3 for the spec and colour but its pointless as the decompression of DXT5 is actually faster. You can't use dxt1 with embedded alpha without adding a # to the end of the name and changing all your references in the scripts. I wouldn't bother as the results are poor.
Naming conventions are hold overs from Pike & Shot so a little inconsistent. _N are normal, _S are spec, _C is a control for water.
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
Thanks, Patrick.
So I don't need them as long as I have a Normal Map made? They aren't gonna effect my texture if I change it from what's already in the game? EX: New Texture needs new Normal Map.
I can't even view the Spec or C files in Adobe Elements, they just show up as black.
So is the alpha layer on the Base1/2/3 TILES what takes the edges off and keeps them from appearing as squares on the maps? That's my guess anyway.
My other guess, the game takes a 512x512 sample for each square on the map from the 2048x2048 Base files, instead of using the full sheet for each square?
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So I don't need them as long as I have a Normal Map made? They aren't gonna effect my texture if I change it from what's already in the game? EX: New Texture needs new Normal Map.
I can't even view the Spec or C files in Adobe Elements, they just show up as black.
So is the alpha layer on the Base1/2/3 TILES what takes the edges off and keeps them from appearing as squares on the maps? That's my guess anyway.
My other guess, the game takes a 512x512 sample for each square on the map from the 2048x2048 Base files, instead of using the full sheet for each square?
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
Denser cattails would be more realistic for marshland. I work at a big wetland area and we have had to take drastic measures a few times in the last few decades to control plant growth (localized draining, dredging). At the density you have it the water level would be deep enough that it would be basically be non-navigable.
This is kind of neither here nor there but most units should realistically be taking casualties for even trying to move through marshland. They are extraordinarily dangerous areas that requires specialized equipment and knowledge to work safely in. A horde of non-local soldiers would have a significant number of people drowning or being severely injured trying to move through a large wetland area.
Anyway.. looks great overall!
This is kind of neither here nor there but most units should realistically be taking casualties for even trying to move through marshland. They are extraordinarily dangerous areas that requires specialized equipment and knowledge to work safely in. A horde of non-local soldiers would have a significant number of people drowning or being severely injured trying to move through a large wetland area.
Anyway.. looks great overall!
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
Thanks. I prefer them less dense but people will be able to have them anyway they want. All one has to do to make them denser is add in the Medieval BushesTileEdge.SF4 file to their objects/NorthernEurope folder and it'll go to this. You will, however, lose two of the vegetation types.
I may make a small guide describing what the objects folder controls once we are done.
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
TBH I don't know what happens if theres no spec map. Never tried it.
Can't comment on Elements as I've never used it. Try GIMP.
Yes.
No. It just makes them fit a 3x3 grid. I think. Maybe 4x4. You can easily check in the editor. If the job was to make realistic textures then the squares being 60m x 60m would be important, but the graphics are meant to be as far from realistic as possible.
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Re: FoG II Terrain for Medieval! (UPDATED 2/6/2021) 9:30AM
No. I didn't mean no Spec map. I meant not creating a new one and just leaving the stock one in place. New Texture, New Normal Map to fit the Texture, Original Spec. Well that's what's in the snow ground picture above, and it doesn't seem to effect it, so I guess it doesn't matter too much.Patrick Ward wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 5:41 pm
TBH I don't know what happens if theres no spec map. Never tried it.
Thanks for the answers, Patrick.
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