Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Morris » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:19 am

wie201 wrote:I simply want to state that I have never enjoyed an AAR as much as this one. I rarely post, and this post may be improper, but nonetheless thank you both.
You are welcome & enjoy the AAR ! :)

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Morris » Fri Apr 26, 2013 2:53 am

Kragdob wrote:Yes, Morris you would need troops for 3 waves of attack but if you gathered all your forces you could have done it. My air support didn't save my troops so it would not save Brest if you concentrated your Blob there.

Initially I wanted to capture Cagliari to rebase my air there so you would be facing it anyway :-) Still more difficult to run from the south then from Brest.
My Dear Kragdob , Are you kidding me ? Ok let me explain what will happen if I use three wave to attack & get Brest . At first three wave attack need 6 healthy Mech or Corps . & you have more than 14 tacs & 10 Ftrs . each Axis ground unit will suffer 2 air raid per turn . Even if a 10 step 80 effective mech will be probably reduced to a yellow or orange 6 . so 24/2=12 /per turn so at least 12 wounded units would not able to accomplish the attack mission next turn . Totally including repair I have to invest at least 30 units to achive this impossible mission . ( if you replace a new unit in the third turn , what I cost would worth nothing !)
Anyway even if I had luck to accomplish this mission , it is only July then , You can make a Normandy again with no troops defence . Because Axis would be already bankrupted for it . Let's caculate the minium of the Axis cost : we just suppose these units are 20 corps & 10 Mechs ,and 30%-40% loss of them means 35*0.6*0.4*20=168pp
55*0.6*0.4*10 =132pp 168+132=300pp , since it is impossible to retreat the wounded unit out of the air raid area in one turn & I have to use some arms & in this turn all troops were not in full strengh after my counter attack campaign , so the lost will be much higher than 300pp . Axis can not afford for it in 1943 . If I did so , the game will be over in 1943 since there will not enough power to defence both fronts especially the east ! If you don't believe in this , whenever our pbem finish , we may exchange the file of this turn , I will show you what will be the disaster of Axis . :)

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Morris » Fri Apr 26, 2013 3:14 am

July 22nd 1943 fair


In France , we are going to eliminate the southern invade group , maybe in two or three turns .




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In Med , Allies land in sardinia &also prepare to land in Sicily ! Sardinia is hopeless , but Sicily will have to defence otherwise Italy will be out !



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In the east , Russians finally arrived Warsaw . but our east defence still need 2-3 turns to be ready . Time ! Time ! It is a race of time !







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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by shawkhan » Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:02 am

What an exciting horserace we have here! Two great players and the fortunes of war favoring first one side then the other. This AAR is a classic. Congratulations to you Both.

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Peter Stauffenberg » Fri Apr 26, 2013 11:21 am

Regardless of who wins I think this AAR shows both players can have a lot of fun in the game. :) Both have to show great skills in both attacking and defending.

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Kragdob » Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:12 pm

You convinced me Morris.
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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Peter Stauffenberg » Fri Apr 26, 2013 7:58 pm

I think the following turns will decide this game. If Kragdob can combine the Russian storm on the German eastern defense line at the same time he can land again in France he will eventually win. If Morris can use his armor and mech blob to deal with the Russians before the Allies are ready then he has a chance in this game.

We know very little of the true Russian strength. If Kragdob can must his own armor and mech blob then he can simply grind down the Germans and win that way. If not I think he has to wait for the winter before engaging the Germans.

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by joerock22 » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:00 am

I think Morris has played the past few game months very well. I agree with the decision to leave Brest alone, and instead attack the Allies in Southern France and bring some heavies back to Germany for defense against the USSR. Now he needs to see how strong the Russians are. It looks like Kragdob's advanced forces are pretty beat up...perhaps Morris can counter and pick off a few Russian heavies? Kragdob needs to be somewhat careful so he doesn't lose his valuable guard mechs and tanks.

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Morris » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:21 am

shawkhan wrote:What an exciting horserace we have here! Two great players and the fortunes of war favoring first one side then the other. This AAR is a classic. Congratulations to you Both.
Thank you ! & I am flattered !

Enjoy the AAR & the story is not finished ! :)

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Morris » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:26 am

Stauffenberg wrote:Regardless of who wins I think this AAR shows both players can have a lot of fun in the game. :) Both have to show great skills in both attacking and defending.
Skill & strategy is so fatal for both of us ! In some turn ,we have to spend a lot of time to analysis & plan & caculate . But we both enjoy it very much ! It gave us a lot of fun . :)

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Morris » Sat Apr 27, 2013 2:39 am

joerock22 wrote:I think Morris has played the past few game months very well. I agree with the decision to leave Brest alone, and instead attack the Allies in Southern France and bring some heavies back to Germany for defense against the USSR. Now he needs to see how strong the Russians are. It looks like Kragdob's advanced forces are pretty beat up...perhaps Morris can counter and pick off a few Russian heavies? Kragdob needs to be somewhat careful so he doesn't lose his valuable guard mechs and tanks.
Hi , joe , you are the one who had experienced my counter attack in the west . You taught me a lesson & I upgrade it this time . That's why I leave the Brest alone .

I attacked the Allies in southern france just because I was afraid of Italy's out . I really need them to be the key cannon fodders ! Without them , Germany will be in great difficult ! I thought I may accomplish the southern France mission before Russian arrive my east defence . But you will soon find I was wrong . :(

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Morris » Sat Apr 27, 2013 5:24 am

Aug 12th 1943 fair



Italy surrender ! We have all deployed Gars on each Italy city & rail rub . But it still happened ! Actually under the two lvl 14 USAF's tac's attack , any Gars will be reduced to 3-5 steps in red & then 82th airborne will accomplish the mission( at least they will force the Gar retreat ) .This is the third time I lost Italy because of a rail rub's fall . It really feel s bad ! :( Is it necessary to put Germany corp or mech on each Italian rail rub next time ?

Anyway, the Italy surrender time is really historic ! :lol:

This accident completely ruin my plan in southern France . we have to turn back to defence & it is only Aug 1943 . How long will Axis last ? Hitler had ordered to all Germans fight to death ! Maybe our only hope is Manstein's genius & good luck from god ! :)






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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Kragdob » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:35 am

Morris is doing great job with his counterattacks - I received good lessons from him in this game. I developed some counter measures you will see soon :-)
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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Morris » Sat Apr 27, 2013 12:42 pm

Kragdob wrote:Morris is doing great job with his counterattacks - I received good lessons from him in this game. I developed some counter measures you will see soon :-)
& you taught me a lesson in Italy ! Thanks ! :)

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by joerock22 » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:21 pm

Well, I think that puts the final nails in the Axis coffin. Morris will fight bravely, but without Italy the Germans have little chance to last until 1945. It's unfortunate that Italy surrendered as a result of para landings. I like the 5-city requirement, but it seems like that rail hub is too easy to capture. Like Morris said, all it takes is a couple bombers, some paras, and good luck. I would prefer to not see Italy surrender as a result of a para capturing a rail hub, as without support paras are easy to kill (especially after heavy FLAK). So maybe Italy would not be so alarmed if some para troops landed on the peninsula???

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by petertodd » Sat Apr 27, 2013 9:40 pm

Maybe to count as a capture of a rail hub for surrender purposes the capturing unit should have to be in supply level 3 or better. Then para drops or commando raids (landing a garrison) on rail hubs wouldn't do it. Cities would still always count since they give supply (unless bombed).

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Kragdob » Sun Apr 28, 2013 7:42 am

joerock22 wrote:Well, I think that puts the final nails in the Axis coffin. Morris will fight bravely, but without Italy the Germans have little chance to last until 1945. It's unfortunate that Italy surrendered as a result of para landings. I like the 5-city requirement, but it seems like that rail hub is too easy to capture. Like Morris said, all it takes is a couple bombers, some paras, and good luck. I would prefer to not see Italy surrender as a result of a para capturing a rail hub, as without support paras are easy to kill (especially after heavy FLAK). So maybe Italy would not be so alarmed if some para troops landed on the peninsula???
Joe,

It takes conquering NA, Sardinia, Corsica (as only from there you have Trieste in range) and development of STRAT lvl 5 for 11 parachute range. You have 3 rail depots and it is enough that you put couple of more units to prevent para action. Since after NA & Corsica you still need 2 more cities then either you make 2 successful para drops or make a real landing somewhere and grab a city. For me it is enough complicated for Italian surrender.

Btw. Do you think that Italians were such a tough fighters that when Allies would have started para dropping and taking their home towns they would keep on fighting when they already lost NA, Corsica, and Genoa?
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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by trulster » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:03 am

petertodd wrote:Maybe to count as a capture of a rail hub for surrender purposes the capturing unit should have to be in supply level 3 or better. Then para drops or commando raids (landing a garrison) on rail hubs wouldn't do it. Cities would still always count since they give supply (unless bombed).
Excellent idea.

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Cybvep » Sun Apr 28, 2013 9:09 am

BTW guys, the Allies control Genoa in this game, and has been quite active in the Med and southern France, so I think that the Italian surrender makes sense in the context.

I tend to agree that rail hubs are too easy to take... maybe they should count as 0,5 towards surrender, so 2 controlled rail hubs would be the equivalent of 1 controlled city? Just an idea.

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Re: Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

Post by Morris » Sun Apr 28, 2013 3:25 pm

Actually ,in the present rules ,there is a way of kicking Italy out like this : just take Sardinia , Tunis , Tripoli , & two rail rubs with Para . without capture any city in mainland & without attack Sicily . Since Tunis, Sardinia & Tripoli are very difficult to defence as Axis ,with the high lvl tac's support , paras will be easy to kick Italy out & make Axis hopeless . Is this situation reasonable ? :)

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