Have to agree and probably the easiest to try out.madaxeman wrote:Hmmm... Reading this, I'm still thinking that a small "clarification" to mandate a couple or more foot units per artillery unit might be enough to rebalance things.
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Have to agree and probably the easiest to try out.madaxeman wrote:Hmmm... Reading this, I'm still thinking that a small "clarification" to mandate a couple or more foot units per artillery unit might be enough to rebalance things.
Agree with Nik ... the only reason I've grumbled about "max mounted" more than "D&G terrain sitter" is because a balanced army can take on the latter to some extent. But both extremes are unhistorical and make the game poorer.nikgaukroger wrote:Does nothing about the Duty & Glory army issue - if that is an issue for you.madaxeman wrote:Hmmm... Reading this, I'm still thinking that a small "clarification" to mandate a couple or more foot units per artillery unit might be enough to rebalance things.
I very much doubt that allowing Average mounted to be in 6 base BGs would make a blind bit of difference to players choices. The current incentive in, unless you are French, to take the minimum horse necessary, so why would you waste points on 2 more bases to make your most vulnerable BG last a shade longer?madaxeman wrote:Duty and Glory I think is another issue - that's about Average Horse (in 4's) being a total liability, and very few D&G armies being allowed anything other than Average Horse in 4's.
Allowing them to be used in 6's is an easy partial fix, but if you want to make horse attractive in this part of the period mandating a minimum number is going to be difficult as it will risk making the French into the no-brainer choice, as their horse are so much better than anyone else's.
My suggestion (on the other thread) , was allow BG of 4 a +1 on the death roll on shooting. But also change the autobreak for superiors to = 50% (rather than >50%). It would give AVG a boost , and knock down SUP a bit. IMHO on a wider theme SUP is just too good.increasing the autobreak levels for 4 base mounted BGs
Personally I'm not keen on changing the Superior autobreak to =50%, I'd rather just make Average be >50% (and Poor =50% ?). I think if a 4 base BG breaks on bases lost it just encourages people to run them away if they lose a base. OK, a +1 on the Death Roll against shooting would certainly mitigate against that to some degree, however, the incentive to avoid combat would still be there.list_lurker wrote:My suggestion (on the other thread) , was allow BG of 4 a +1 on the death roll on shooting. But also change the autobreak for superiors to = 50% (rather than >50%). It would give AVG a boost , and knock down SUP a bit. IMHO on a wider theme SUP is just too good.increasing the autobreak levels for 4 base mounted BGs
nikgaukroger wrote:Personally I'm not keen on changing the Superior autobreak to =50%, I'd rather just make Average be >50% (and Poor =50% ?). I think if a 4 base BG breaks on bases lost it just encourages people to run them away if they lose a base. OK, a +1 on the Death Roll against shooting would certainly mitigate against that to some degree, however, the incentive to avoid combat would still be there.list_lurker wrote:My suggestion (on the other thread) , was allow BG of 4 a +1 on the death roll on shooting. But also change the autobreak for superiors to = 50% (rather than >50%). It would give AVG a boost , and knock down SUP a bit. IMHO on a wider theme SUP is just too good.increasing the autobreak levels for 4 base mounted BGs
For simplicity's sake I'd want such a change to be a universal one, however, as this may make 4 base Dragoon BGs too good only Battle Troops might be sensible.
Despite Richard's reluctance to do anything with the rules to rebalance things I can't help feeling it may be the only way forward.
I like this... I could run out my 22BGs of Poor Scots Conventeurs again... With a change they will never appear in the Poor format again(and Poor =50% ?).
Me.list_lurker wrote:Who hasn't lost a 23 pt DH to a single artillery shot in the first bound!
nigelemsen wrote:I like this... I could run out my 22BGs of Poor Scots Conventeurs again...(and Poor =50% ?).
21 point DH on the other hand ...
Maniakes wrote: "For every two medium artillery bases you must bring 12 bases of MF and/or HF and/or DF (not including commanded shot) and for every two heavy artillery bases bring 18 bases of the same"
It strikes me as historical that mostly mounted forces probably didn't drag big artillery trains around (particularly Heavy Art) and it allows users of Light Art (like my Ming ....ahem!) to carry on ploughing their slightly lonely furrow.
Wouldn't that go a long way to sort the problem - without over-penalising the mounted types (and after all we do still want to see a range of strategies on the table)
Increasing the amount of average horse does make more expensive rear support.... But at some point they become so expensive that you start to need to actually do something constructive with them too. Which may mean using them aggressively....especially if everyone starts having to have 1 in 3 mounted units as average, as then they start their own average on average ecosystem..list_lurker wrote:I think Tims comment about liability of AVG Horse in 4s covers more that its competancy against other horse. Its just poor against everything. Its just bait for artillery and better foot will chase it into the flank zones and shoot it to death. Its best role is against other horse where it might have a chance (through dice), against fire its just dogmeat
By increasing the amount of AVG horse in D&G armies then you end up with expensive rear support. The problem is they are not strong enough to stand in the line. Which I'm pretty sure is not the case historically.
How about a different death roll for artillery hitting at more than 1/2 range. Would certainly make long range sniping harder and make guns in a defending infantry army better.list_lurker wrote:+1 on the death roll was to mitigate the long range art sniping (it was on a slightly different thread after all). Who hasn't lost a 23 pt DH to a single artillery shot in the first bound!
Definatley battle troops only. Dragoons are too good as it is!