AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Morris » Sun Dec 04, 2016 2:45 pm

Apr 23rd 1941 fair


Hopeless fight in Scotland . Axis seems kill them without any casualties ..... , RN comes to its last minute , no one will survive but a sub .
meanwhile still no partisan in UK :(


In Lybia also bad news for Allies : Topruk fall , tank dead . The 8th army is considering to retreat to Syria, Irac or Iran .......





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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Peter Stauffenberg » Sun Dec 04, 2016 8:32 pm

Look at the upside for the Allies. The Germans are fighting in Egypt and Scotland. It's already April 1941 so it means there won't be a strong 1941 Barbarossa. This would allow the Russians to defend much further west and build more offensive units straight away. So the Russians can get initiative as early as 1942.

I think it's important for the Allies to ensure the Germans need to remain in England with quite a few units. Losing Egypt is not good, but not enough to lose the game. It's a long way from Suez to Baghdad and Basra. It's possible for the Americans to send units to the Persian Gulf to fend off the Axis.

We all know how strong Morris can be with the Allies so I expect him to come back strong. E. g. Portugal and Ireland can be invaded after USA join the Allies to create a new
area for the Axis to defend. Russia alone can give the Germans a hard fight if they're not crippled in the first year of battle in the east front.

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by duncanr » Sun Dec 04, 2016 10:40 pm

as we all know its about what happens in Russia, the west can have plenty of effect on that, but Russia is still where its decided

the mistake I most often make in this scenario is trying to do to much to soon with the Russians, thinking you have to get started quickly to make up for the west. I think its better to wait until you can have some serious support form the US and make sure its definitely a two front problem the Axis has to deal with

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Cybvep » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:40 pm

the mistake I most often make in this scenario is trying to do to much to soon with the Russians, thinking you have to get started quickly to make up for the west. I think its better to wait until you can have some serious support form the US and make sure its definitely a two front problem the Axis has to deal with
Agreed. Usually the Soviets are not that strong offensive-wise in 1942.

Max is going for Egypt, so that means no 1941 Barbarossa after all. The RN will have to escape from the eastern Med. After that it should be easy to take Greece for bonus morale for the Italians, but I'm not sure whether Max is interested in that. Not sure whether he will try to take Iraq, either. Movement is slow in the ME, but the Allies don't have much to defend with ATM. If Max goes for the ME, I don't think that Morris should withdraw from that area. I think that he should make a stand there in order to stall the Axis as long as possible. IMO it would be wise to try to evacuate the RN to Canada. They won't do much good near the GB now and building CVs and BBs takes a long of time.

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by duncanr » Sun Dec 04, 2016 11:50 pm

there are not really any Brits left to defend the ME, the question is will there be a late 41 Barbarossa or none

I don't agree with the "throw" the RN at the Germans strategy, I think its better to keep it intact to support the US - its a lot of PP's the US doesn't have to spend on naval units

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Morris » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:24 pm

Cybvep wrote:
the mistake I most often make in this scenario is trying to do to much to soon with the Russians, thinking you have to get started quickly to make up for the west. I think its better to wait until you can have some serious support form the US and make sure its definitely a two front problem the Axis has to deal with
Agreed. Usually the Soviets are not that strong offensive-wise in 1942.

Max is going for Egypt, so that means no 1941 Barbarossa after all. The RN will have to escape from the eastern Med. After that it should be easy to take Greece for bonus morale for the Italians, but I'm not sure whether Max is interested in that. Not sure whether he will try to take Iraq, either. Movement is slow in the ME, but the Allies don't have much to defend with ATM. If Max goes for the ME, I don't think that Morris should withdraw from that area. I think that he should make a stand there in order to stall the Axis as long as possible. IMO it would be wise to try to evacuate the RN to Canada. They won't do much good near the GB now and building CVs and BBs takes a long of time.
Yes , This is the main mistake I made in this pbem ! I should keep RN alive ! I just tried my best to bleed Max as much as possible . This mistake made Allies feel quite difficult to set up a second front across the Atlantic ocean . It also need much time & pp to rebuild RN ! especially the pps ! UK was very poor in 1941 .

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Morris » Mon Dec 05, 2016 3:28 pm

duncanr wrote:there are not really any Brits left to defend the ME, the question is will there be a late 41 Barbarossa or none

I don't agree with the "throw" the RN at the Germans strategy, I think its better to keep it intact to support the US - its a lot of PP's the US doesn't have to spend on naval units
No 41 barbarosa at all ! If Axis can launch a 1941 Barbarosa while a sealion & Middle east invation , the Barbarosa will be very weak . :)

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Diplomaticus » Mon Dec 05, 2016 5:45 pm

duncanr wrote:there are not really any Brits left to defend the ME, the question is will there be a late 41 Barbarossa or none

I don't agree with the "throw" the RN at the Germans strategy, I think its better to keep it intact to support the US - its a lot of PP's the US doesn't have to spend on naval units
Well, this is part & parcel of Morris's "kamikaze Brits" approach. For years now, when he plays Allies, Morris has been notorious for super-aggressive use of the British early in the game. And so many times in the past it's worked out for him: he sacrifices Brits to make the Axis bleed, slows them down, and the U.S.A. and Russia save the day in the long run.

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Peter Stauffenberg » Mon Dec 05, 2016 7:51 pm

That is true, but in this game he was faced with a successful Sealion. That makes the job for the Allies a bit harder since they first have to liberate England to get airbases to attack Germany. England Axis means no strategic bombing raids over Germany.

One Axis strategy could be to enter Egypt and the Iraq to push into Persia at the same time Barbarossa is launched in 1942. Then the oilfields in Baku could be within reach.
Not sure that strategy will work, but it will be interesting to see.

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Cybvep » Mon Dec 05, 2016 8:10 pm

Without Gibraltar, going for Persia may turn out to be a trap. It may be hard to evacuate the forces in time when the Americans come from the west. I think that it would be easier if Greece was Axis-controlled.

However, IMO by far the biggest problem of ME-centric strategy is the fact that the movement rate is awfully slow there, so it takes much time to get anywhere. Therefore, you will most likely spend much much more oil securing the ME than getting from it. Moreover, the game doesn't reward your strategic exploits, because victory conditions don't include the ME in any way.

On the other hand, the Soviets cannot use railways in the ME, so it's not very convenient to use them to defend the area (except the air wings). Also, losing Basra deprives the SU of 15 PPs per turn and AFAIK, it's "for life", i.e. you don't regain the bonus if you recapture Basra.

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Morris » Tue Dec 06, 2016 11:40 am

May 13th 1941 fair


It is the traditional 1941 Barbarosa Day . But Axis is still fighting on two fronts : Scotland & Lybia . On Apr 3rd turn , Axis drop a para in Northern Ireland , we concentrate all we have including the last units of RN &RAF to destroy it . In return we lost all RN surface fleet. We just wish we could stay in Northern ireland to stay alive .......

Only one thing is confirmed : It seems No barbarosa this year...





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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Morris » Tue Dec 06, 2016 12:08 pm

Cybvep wrote:Without Gibraltar, going for Persia may turn out to be a trap. It may be hard to evacuate the forces in time when the Americans come from the west. I think that it would be easier if Greece was Axis-controlled.

However, IMO by far the biggest problem of ME-centric strategy is the fact that the movement rate is awfully slow there, so it takes much time to get anywhere. Therefore, you will most likely spend much much more oil securing the ME than getting from it. Moreover, the game doesn't reward your strategic exploits, because victory conditions don't include the ME in any way.

On the other hand, the Soviets cannot use railways in the ME, so it's not very convenient to use them to defend the area (except the air wings). Also, losing Basra deprives the SU of 15 PPs per turn and AFAIK, it's "for life", i.e. you don't regain the bonus if you recapture Basra.

Yes , losing Basra will be fatal for allies especially when Allies lost Britain . It will make Allies feel difficult to set up a new front unless build many CV (too expensive & slow).

Actually ,in real history , If Hitler concentrate on take Eygpt instead of air dog fight over English Channel , WW2 's result would be quite difference .

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Morris » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:07 am

June 2nd 1941-----June 22nd 1941 fair


Finally , we find the landing troops along the Ireland coast ! although they were no escort , we have almost nothing to stop them . It means Ireland will be conquered & all Gars in Northern Ireland will also be dead soon ! UK will suffer 40 points morale loss before USA comes ! It will make 8th army in Middle east be very low effectiveness ! :( Another unlucky point : until now still no partisan appear in Britain ! :(




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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Peter Stauffenberg » Thu Dec 08, 2016 2:29 pm

Maybe time to evacuate the RAF from Northern Ireland before it's too late?

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Morris » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:05 pm

Stauffenberg wrote:Maybe time to evacuate the RAF from Northern Ireland before it's too late?
It was already too late ! None of them can fly to any where but the STR . We are not sure whetherthere will be some subs around us . It is Axis Altlantic . It was impossible to transport anything across the Altlantic . It will probably loss the transport which cost 8 more pp ! For the Poor UK , 8 pp was very expensive !

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Morris » Sat Dec 10, 2016 3:41 pm

July 12th 1941 fair


Axis dow Yugo & conquer it in the same turn . Next target will be Greece .


Meanwhile it is hopeless in Iraland , RAF made suiside attack before their last minute .....





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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Morris » Sun Dec 11, 2016 11:50 am

Aug 1st 1941-----Nov 9th 1941


Boring & miserable turns for Allies . (no interest to make screenshots) It was so easy for Axis to conquer Greece & Said port without any fight & casualties . The 8th army suffered heavy morale loss after Axis conquer whole Ireland . They were not able to fight but run to the border of Iran & prepare to run into Iran whenever Axis move in Irac ......All Middle east were almost empty but several loww effective Gars.....

The darkest time is just before sunrise ! We are waiting for the USA's coming.......

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Morris » Wed Dec 14, 2016 2:51 pm

Nov 29th 1941 winter


USA comes ! Allies finally got its sunrise !



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Meanwhile , there is an interesting thing in Med : After conquer Syria , they just stay there & did not enter the weak Irac . I ask this question to Max , His reply is that : Axis does not need the oil ! Since Max is a great elite player who always play in creative way , I guess it maybe a trap ..... But however Thanks god ! it gave British a great breath during the weakest period ! Now USA is coming , The 8th army is planning to counter attack !





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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by Morris » Thu Dec 15, 2016 2:08 pm

Dec 1941-----Apr 1942



Quiet turns in Europe . We send all Americans to Irac & preparing a counter attack around Syria .




By the end of Apr 18th 1942, USSR join the war .

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Re: AAR : Supermax (Axis ) vs Morris (Allies)

Post by dagtwo » Sat Dec 17, 2016 5:18 pm

I've been on the losing end (as Allies) of games like this. I hope Morris will show a better way to deal with it. Keep calm and carry on!
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