The Dustbin

[DzonVejn]

Reserve.

[DzonVejn]

1. Indian 320
2. Byzantine 551
3. Sassanid 591
4. Bedouine city

(27)

[Morbio]

1. Thracian (680-351 BC)
2. Spartan 550-461 BC
3. Achaemenid Persians (547 Thymbra)
4. Arab (1000-313 BC)

(27)

[Triarii]

Hi Pete

To double my chances of a third place could you add me as a reserve here too if not full

1 Carthaginian (Hannibal in Italy) 216-203 BC
2 Ptolemaic 320-167 BC
3 Carthaginian (Hannibal in Africa) 202 BC
4 Pontic 281-111 BC

[stockwellpete]

Just a couple of hours to go before I make this draw. I will be sending a group PM to everyone early next week just outlining a few things that need to be done to make the group stages work properly. You will be playing three single matches against the other opponents in your pool. The paired game format will start in the knock-out phase when we get down to the last eight players. I hope everyone has already downloaded the three scenarios required for the first stage of this section - Soissons, Tolbiac and Vouille - if not can you please try and do so over the weekend so that any issues arising can be sorted out before next Friday (February 1st). It should all be very straightforward. Some players will use the Frankish players twice at the group stage, others will only use them once. It will be the two players with the lower ratings (or no ratings) in each group who will play with them twice.

[Aeneas Stator]

Add me to the reserve.

[Aeneas Stator]

Add me to the reserve.

[Zardoz02]

LOL so the 'Z' thing doesn't matter any more. So much for 'gaming' my selections...

[stockwellpete]

Right, we are ready to start. I will update this post after every fourth player has been drawn out of the hat . . .

Group 1 - iandavidsmith, Brenmusik, dkalenda, phoyle3290.

Group 2 - IMC, Nijis, Barrold713, Nosy_Rat.

Group 3 - pantherboy, Triarii, jjaquemond, hidde.

Group 4 - rexhurley, paulmcneil, schmolywar, edb1815.

[stockwellpete]

A very interesting draw, I think. In Group 1 there are three players who are currently playing in the lower divisions, so at least one of them will reach the knock-out stage. Nosy_Rat, who is defending two successive wins in this section, is drawn in Group 2 which looks quite tough with both Nijis and IMC currently riding high in the ratings. Group 3 has a really "old veteran" feel about it with pantherboy, Triarii and hidde resuming old rivalries that pre-date both FOG1DL and FOG2DL completely and go right back to the early days of the League of Extraordinary Gentlemen (LOEG). And finally, Group 4 looks to be a very open contest, although schmolywar, the current leader in Slitherine's automated Xmas tournament, probably starts as the favourite to qualify.

[stockwellpete]

LOL so the 'Z' thing doesn't matter any more. So much for 'gaming' my selections...

It is worse than that because I am afraid that I am going to have to ask you to make a fifth selection as all your four choices were taken! You were seeded number 1 in Division C so you were the last player to have their army allocated. You will need to choose an army from a nation that has not already been selected. I will post up the full army selections shortly.

[stockwellpete]

Division A
Cunningcairn (3) - Carthaginians (Hannibal in Africa) 202 BC
dkalenda (6) - Seleucids 166-125 BC
harveylh (5) - Romans 105-25 BC
hidde (9) - Macedonians 320-261 BC
klayeckles (7) - Ptolemaics 166-56 BC
nyczar (4) - Greeks 227-146 BC
pantherboy (10) - Achaemenid Persians 480-461 BC
rexhurley (1) - Graeco-Bactrians 250-130 BC
ruskicanuk (8) - Indo-Greeks 175-10 BC
Ulysisgrunt (2) - Jewish 167-111 BC

Division B
devoncop (6) - Carthaginians (Hannibal in Africa) 202 BC
ggarynorman (1) - Indo-Greeks 175-10 BC
Hendricus (3) - Romans 219-200 BC
IMC (10) - Jewish 167-111 BC
Morbio (5) - Samnites 355-272 BC
oscarius (4) - Graeco-Bactrians 250-130 BC
paulmcneil (7) - Armenian, Tigranes 83-69 BC
SpeedyCM (8) - Greeks 460-281 BC
Trogilus (2) - Pergamenes 190-129 BC
XLegione (9) - Galatians 280-63 BC

Division C
Barrold713 (7) - Pontics 110-85 BC
cromlechi (8) - Seleucids 166-125 BC
deve (4) - Ptolemaics 166-56 BC
greekiraklis (3) - Spartans 460-281 BC
herm (9) - Romans 199-106 BC
Najanaja (1) - Carthaginians (Hannibal in Italy) 216-203 BC
SLancaster (6) - Macedonians 320-261 BC
Tiglath (2) - Lydians 550-546 BC
Tresantes (5) - Achaemenid Persians 480-461 BC
Zardoz02 (10) - Lysimachid 320-281 BC

Division D
Bluefin (10) - Gallics 300-101 BC
Geffalrus (1) - Antigonids 320-301 BC
General Shapur (2) - Carthaginians (Hannibal in Africa) 202 BC
Karvon (4) - Graeco-Bactrians 250-130 BC
KiFi (5) - Romans 105-25 BC
MorkinTheFree (8) - Pyrrhics 280-272 BC
phoyle3290 (7) - Macedonians 320-261 BC
SawyerK (3) - Pontics 281-111 BC
sunnyboy (9) - Spanish 300-10 BC
Yaitz331 (6) - Jewish 167-111 BC

Note: the number in brackets after each players name indicates the order in which the armies were allocated to them.

[stockwellpete]

Just a few statistics for you . . .

In Division A, 7 players got their first choice, 2 got their second choice, 1 got their third choice, 0 used their fourth choice and 0 was asked to make a fifth choice. We can show this as 7-2-1-0-0. For Division B the figures were 8-1-1-0-0; for Division C 7-1-0-1-1; and for Division D 9-1-0-0-0.

So overall, the figures for Classical Antiquity are 31-5-2-1-1, which tells me that the system has worked very well in this instance, with just under 80% of players receiving their first choice army.

[Hendricus]

Just a few statistics for you . . .

In Division A, 7 players got their first choice, 2 got their second choice, 1 got their third choice, 0 used their fourth choice and 0 was asked to make a fifth choice. We can show this as 7-2-1-0-0. For Division B the figures were 8-1-1-0-0; for Division C 7-1-0-1-1; and for Division D 9-1-0-0-0.

So overall, the figures for Classical Antiquity are 31-5-2-1-1, which tells me that the system has worked very well in this instance, with just under 80% of players receiving their first choice army.

It works superb, it does not even need fine tuning.

[devoncop]

It works superb, it does not even need fine tuning.

Totally agree. A very subtle and effective form of handicapping that still gives the strongest players in each Division almost always one of their preferred top 4 selections.

[Zardoz02]

Hmmm... definitely changing my name to "aardvark".

[jjaquemond]

Mon dieu! "old veterans pantherboy, Triarii and hidde!" ALL 3 in my group - hahaha, Jupiter/Mars have mercy on my soul.

[stockwellpete]

Division A
Breogan (1) Spanish (Sertorius) 80-70 BC
Cunningcairn (2) Dacian 89-106 AD
dkalenda (7) Roman 285-378 AD
harveylh (6) Jewish Revolt 66-135 AD
MikeC_81 (8) Arab City 300-633 AD
Nijis (5) Palmyran 258-273 AD
NikiforosFokas (3) Scots-Irish 50BC-476 AD
nyczar (4) Kingdom of Soissons 461-486 AD
pantherboy (10) Breton 411-579 AD
ruskicanuk (9) Ptolemaic 55-30 BC

Division B
Bluefin (1) Visigoths 419-621 AD
devoncop (7) Spanish (Sertorius) 80-70 BC
IMC (10) Galatian 280-63 BC
Morbio (5) Bosporans 84-11 BC
oscarius (4) Lombard 493-567 AD
rexhurley (3) Arab City 300-633 AD
SpeedyCM (8) Sarmatian 350 BC - 24 AD
Trogilus (2) Roman 197-284 AD
XLegione (9) Romano-British 407-599 AD
youngr (6) Jewish Revolt 66-135 AD

Division C
cromlechi (6) Pontic 110-85 BC
edb1815 (9) Arab City 300-633 AD
gamercb (3) Scots-Irish 477-846 AD
ggarynorman (4) Palmyran 258-273 AD
greekiraklis (1) Byzantine 493-550 AD
herm (7) Ostrogoths 493-561 AD
jjaquemond (5) Kingdom of Soissons 461-486 AD
MikeMUC (2) Roman 285-378 AD
Ulysisgrunt (10) Germanic/Gothic Horse Tribes 260-476 AD
Zardoz02 (8) Sassanid Persian 477-590 AD

Division D
Barrold713 (10) Jewish Revolt 66-135 AD
blobka (1) Pictish 210-476 AD
Brenmusik (6) Slave Revolt 73-72 BC
Doyley50 (8) Spanish Sertorius 80-70 BC
Herode_2 (7) Kingdom of Soissons 461-486 AD
MorkinTheFree (4) Ptolemaic 55-30 BC
Rob123 (2) Roman 285-312 AD
SLancaster (9) Seleucid 124-63 BC
sunnyboy (3) Germanic/Gothic Horse Tribes 260-476 AD
Tiglath (5) Kappadokian 260 BC-17 AD

Note: the number in brackets after each players name indicates the order in which the armies were allocated to them.

[mcpeake]

Me too please 1 Roman 197-284,2 Roman 313-378,3 Franks 260-495 and 4 Byzantine 493-550 Cheers

[stockwellpete]

Just a few statistics for you . . .

In Division A, 6 players got their first choice, 4 got their second choice, 0 got their third choice, 0 used their fourth choice and 0 was asked to make a fifth choice. We can show this as 6-4-0-0-0. For Division B the figures were 9-0-0-1-0; for Division C 8-0-0-1-1; and for Division D 7-3-0-0-0.

So overall, the figures for Late Antiquity are 30-7-0-2-1, which again tells me that the system has worked very well, with 75% of players receiving their first choice army and around 92% getting either their first or second choice army.