The Dustbin

[Geffalrus]

Division B

Geffalrus (Poles and Vikings) defeats sunnyboy (Byzantines) 47-11. Good game man. We'll definitely have to do a rematch sometime.

80% of the match was spent with very little action as the Byzantines didn't want to charge the Polish formation of shieldwalls and massed archers, and the Polish hadn't yet come up with a plan for how to catch the elusive horsemen. In the end, contact was forced when the Polish cavalry surged forward to catch a few wayward skirmishers, the pursuit of which drew them into direct conflict with some nearby Arab Auxilliary Lancers. While the Polish cavalry got absolutely manhandled by the Superior Frankish Lancers in the previous match, they did A LOT better when facing the lower quality lancers brought en masse by the Byzantine army. 60 point light spear cavalry is not too shabby provided you can throw it at cheaper cavalry. The better quality Byzantine lancers were held back by supporting Viking foot and massed archers. As night drew near, the Arab lancers crumbled just in time for the Polish army to claim a victory.

The Polish army corrals the Byzantines into a corner.

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[stockwellpete]

So presumably if Geffalrus decides not to enter CA the season after he has used his beloved Antigonids (or similar) or I was unable to choose my zealots in LA we would then be allowed to enter the following season and use them then ?

I am not saying that would happen I am speaking metaphorically by the way.

I suppose so. I haven't really thought about it, to be honest. If you miss a season in a section then you may lose your place in the division you were in so it will be harder for you to predict where you will be in the queue when the armies are allocated.

[devoncop]

That's cool.

Thanks.

[Geffalrus]

At the moment a player can select Antigonids, Lysimachids, Macedonians and Ptolemaics as his four choices knowing full well that he will be allocated one of the pike armies. I would like that to stop really. And if there are four players in a division doing something similar then that division is going to end up with 4 pike armies in it and I think that is probably two too many.

This is starting to feel personal, as that has literally been my picking strategy for both my seasons of Classical.

That being said, I have come to enjoy my experience with the Palmyrans and the Polish, so I fully recognize the value trying new things. I'm still gonna #1 pick Antigonids every time in Classical, but maybe I'll choose some other types of armies for my backup picks. I don't inherently think that merging the Diadochi into one category is a bad idea. Though Morkin should watch out, as I've had my eyes on that Epirus army list for some time now.........

[Geffalrus]

Between them and eternity lay only a river.

Just an FYI as this was something I didn't fully understand until fairly recently...........all streams in the game counter Macedonian pikes and lancers to some extent. Your basic stream does not count as "open ground" which is required for the Deep Pike POA and the Lancer POA to activate. Without open ground, both those units lose 100 POA on impact. The pikes will continue to lose that 100 POA in melee as well. In essence, the 72 point pike fights about as well as a 42 point hoplite. And that's just the little stream. Large Streams will disrupt most mounted and heavy infantry units, making them easy prey for medium foot. And finally, Deep Streams disrupt every unit except foot skirmishers, I believe.

The only hope a Macedonian army really has at that point is luring you across the river, or hard marching to cross somewhere else to face you on open ground. The second option is my preferred strategy. However, that is extremely hard to do against the Jewish army because of all the cheap medium foot they can bring. If you line the banks of the stream with Irregular Foot and some Zealots, there will be no open spot for an easy crossing. They'll need to try and force their way across, and that means relying on small numbers of Offensive Spears. That's a contest you want, as medium foot and offensive spears are not the strongest parts of the Hellenistic roster.

Luring you across usually involves having a ranged unit advantage. However, that's almost impossible for the Macedonians to achieve because the Jewish list ALSO has about a billion archers. Park your archers in the stream and shoot anyone who comes near. Put a line of your cheap mediums behind them, and you'll have a very strong position. Nothing is an automatic win, but you'll force the Macedonian player to work A LOT harder to beat you.

[uneducated]

Between them and eternity lay only a river.

Just an FYI as this was something I didn't fully understand until fairly recently...........all streams in the game counter Macedonian pikes and lancers to some extent. Your basic stream does not count as "open ground" which is required for the Deep Pike POA and the Lancer POA to activate. Without open ground, both those units lose 100 POA on impact. The pikes will continue to lose that 100 POA in melee as well. In essence, the 72 point pike fights about as well as a 42 point hoplite. And that's just the little stream. Large Streams will disrupt most mounted and heavy infantry units, making them easy prey for medium foot. And finally, Deep Streams disrupt every unit except foot skirmishers, I believe.

The only hope a Macedonian army really has at that point is luring you across the river, or hard marching to cross somewhere else to face you on open ground. The second option is my preferred strategy. However, that is extremely hard to do against the Jewish army because of all the cheap medium foot they can bring. If you line the banks of the stream with Irregular Foot and some Zealots, there will be no open spot for an easy crossing. They'll need to try and force their way across, and that means relying on small numbers of Offensive Spears. That's a contest you want, as medium foot and offensive spears are not the strongest parts of the Hellenistic roster.

Luring you across usually involves having a ranged unit advantage. However, that's almost impossible for the Macedonians to achieve because the Jewish list ALSO has about a billion archers. Park your archers in the stream and shoot anyone who comes near. Put a line of your cheap mediums behind them, and you'll have a very strong position. Nothing is an automatic win, but you'll force the Macedonian player to work A LOT harder to beat you.

Oh, Geffalrus, thank you! If only you had been there...

Field of Glory could greatly benefit from enabling a third party view so that people could watch and comment on moves as they happen.

[desertedfox]

Div B

desertedfox - Egyptian 570-525 BC defeated MikeMUC - Assyrian 62 - 49

Truly incredible contest. At one stage I was like 45 to 25 down and looking at a big defeat.

[desertedfox]

Div B

desertedfox - Egyptian 570-525 BC challenges

Ulysisgrunt - Cypriot 680-550 BC

PW 4321

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[gamercb]

I am just a lowly player in Division C and my taking part is to play against different players. I choose different armies for the experience as it does not seem to matter what I choose, I am either a very bad general or my luck is low. It makes me sometimes wonder why I play, but the opponents are good.

So if others feel that they must play with the same army all the time, then so be it, it is their loss as far as I am concerned. I have never been a winning is everything person.

[SnuggleBunnies]

I personally like any change that means more variety, and more players being exposed to different playstyles.

[deve]

Div C
deve (Dailami) defeated batesmotel (Khorasanian) 44-19

[harveylh]

Division A

harveylh - Ptolemaic 166-56 BC defeats ruskicanuk - Indo-Greek 175-10 BC, 50-23.

The Ptolemaic pikes were helped greatly by a relatively open battlefield and Cretan archers disrupted a key elephant charge before it could turn the tide. Good and tough game.

[edb1815]

Div C

edb1815 (Arab North Africa) defeated General Shapur (Ghaznavid) 49% - 17%

[edb1815]

Div C

edb1815 - Arab North Africa 1000-1160 AD (Byzantine 988-1041 AD allies)

challenges for:

Ulysisgrunt - Khazar 738-969

KiFi - French 888-1049

PSW: wolves
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[stockwellpete]

I personally like any change that means more variety, and more players being exposed to different playstyles.

It doesn't look like this proposal is going to pass. Very disappointing and dull really given the wide range of armies with different allies that are now available. I will certainly bring in the Diadochi rule that will reduce the number of pike armies possible in a division in Classical Antiquity in future. This season the number of pike armies in each division was A-4, B-3, C-2 and D-3, but from next season the maximum permissible will be 3 (provided the Pyrrhic army is chosen as well as the two Diadochi armies allowed).

[stockwellpete]

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[NikiforosFokas]

Div A
NikiforosFokas Jew's against Nosy_Rat Huns.
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[NikiforosFokas]

Div A
NikiforosFokas Jew's against nyczar Scots.
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[NikiforosFokas]

Div A
NikiforosFokas' Jews against youngr Ptolemaic.
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