
As it happens a position as Governor General of certain troublesome lands in the Levant may soon become available if he wishes to apply......(Experience of dealing patiently or otherwise with bombastic religious sects is an advantage)

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I am still waiting to hear what it is that Ptolemy wants us to do. I can't even give in right now; I have no clue what Ptolemy wants of me.Yaitz331 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:30 pmStop with the bluster. We have told you what we want you to do; return to our former deal. Now please, tell us what you want us to do. We cannot do what you want us to do if we do not know what it is that you want us to do. If you continue to ignore this question, it will be made clear that all you wish for is the death of the Jewish people.
I too wonder where the expansion has happened but Syria, Palestine and Phoenicia sounds like Antigonus might have given up some territory.13obo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:58 pmI'd be interested to see a screenshot of the map of the disputed area. Judea may have grown 15 fold but those are probably <5 population regions that wouldn't be necessarily classified as "useful" until early mid-game.
Any of the participants care to entertain the popcorn eaters with some visuals from this hugely popular multiplayer game?
I am not technologically savvy enough to do screenshots but when the turn comes back I shall produce a list of currently held Judean regions obtained from the Defence Ministry in Alexandria itself !ledo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:27 pmI too wonder where the expansion has happened but Syria, Palestine and Phoenicia sounds like Antigonus might have given up some territory.13obo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:58 pmI'd be interested to see a screenshot of the map of the disputed area. Judea may have grown 15 fold but those are probably <5 population regions that wouldn't be necessarily classified as "useful" until early mid-game.
Any of the participants care to entertain the popcorn eaters with some visuals from this hugely popular multiplayer game?
I guess it's hard if the game isn't in window mode, but if it is, the snip it tool can make it pretty easy.devoncop wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:31 amI am not technologically savvy enough to do screenshots but when the turn comes back I shall produce a list of currently held Judean regions obtained from the Defence Ministry in Alexandria itself !ledo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 9:27 pmI too wonder where the expansion has happened but Syria, Palestine and Phoenicia sounds like Antigonus might have given up some territory.13obo wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 1:58 pmI'd be interested to see a screenshot of the map of the disputed area. Judea may have grown 15 fold but those are probably <5 population regions that wouldn't be necessarily classified as "useful" until early mid-game.
Any of the participants care to entertain the popcorn eaters with some visuals from this hugely popular multiplayer game?
With Ptolemy stubbornly refusing to tell us what it is he wants of us, it has become quite clear that Ptolemy's only intent is the military conquest of the Levant.Yaitz331 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:59 pmI am still waiting to hear what it is that Ptolemy wants us to do. I can't even give in right now; I have no clue what Ptolemy wants of me.Yaitz331 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:30 pmStop with the bluster. We have told you what we want you to do; return to our former deal. Now please, tell us what you want us to do. We cannot do what you want us to do if we do not know what it is that you want us to do. If you continue to ignore this question, it will be made clear that all you wish for is the death of the Jewish people.
Yaitz331 wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 7:03 amWith Ptolemy stubbornly refusing to tell us what it is he wants of us, it has become quite clear that Ptolemy's only intent is the military conquest of the Levant.Yaitz331 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 2:59 pmI am still waiting to hear what it is that Ptolemy wants us to do. I can't even give in right now; I have no clue what Ptolemy wants of me.Yaitz331 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 22, 2019 12:30 pmStop with the bluster. We have told you what we want you to do; return to our former deal. Now please, tell us what you want us to do. We cannot do what you want us to do if we do not know what it is that you want us to do. If you continue to ignore this question, it will be made clear that all you wish for is the death of the Jewish people.
Actually, I'm not besieging it. My troops are moving through it to the south, to repel the Arabian invasion of Judean territory proper. I have no intention of besieging Petra.
What are Ptolemy's preconditions for peace? We cannot offer peace if we do not know what Ptolemy's conditions would be for such a peace.
That other region in the Nabatea province was in full accordance with our treaty at the beginning, in which Judea was given a free hand in Nabatea Province outside of the areas controlled by Nabatea.
It is not clear why Ptolemy would have an interest in forbidding Judea from expanding into empty desert. Does Ptolemy have some desire to keep Judea weak so that it can invade at any time?Hopefully that is now clear.
Judea is currently only moving southeast, to recapture the regions taken from Judea by the aggressive Arabia.You should be aware that if you continue moving South West through Nabatea you are likely to collide with Egyptian peacekeeping forces in Nabatea.
We hope this offer will at least suffice to begin negotiations.Judea will be permitted to retake the regions captured by Arabia, as well as the one region already agreed to between Judea and Ptolemy. Judea will also retain any Nabatean regions captured during the war. Besides this, Judea will not attack any sovereign nations within Ptolemy's sphere of influence (the Arabian Peninsula, North Africa up to Cyrenaica, and East Africa). In return, Ptolemy will not intervene in Judean conquest of areas that are not sovereign states, or that are outside of Ptolemy's sphere of influence.
Judea will concede to return Nabatea's regions. However, the one region from Arabia has already been agreed to between Judea and Ptolemy in private diplomatic negotiations.devoncop wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:58 am"Judea will be permitted to retake the regions captured by Arabia, as well as the one region already agreed to between Judea and Ptolemy. Judea will also retain any Nabatean regions captured during the war. Besides this, Judea will not attack any sovereign nations within Ptolemy's sphere of influence (the Arabian Peninsula, North Africa up to Cyrenaica, and East Africa). In return, Ptolemy will not intervene in Judean conquest of areas that are not sovereign states, or that are outside of Ptolemy's sphere of influence".
This is in no way acceptable.
You are demanding, (from a position of weakness due to your own over expansion) the right to retain regions from countries that are either client states or allies of Egypt. Nabatea in return for being a client state has a justified expectation that Egypt will protect her territorial integrity. This is exactly what Egypt will do.
Since there are no mechanics for returning regions to NAB, a client state, I’m not sure what the point here is. Any attempt by PTO to “protect her territorial integrity” will do the opposite, adding reconquered regions to PTO, not NAB.devoncop wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:58 am"Judea will be permitted to retake the regions captured by Arabia, as well as the one region already agreed to between Judea and Ptolemy. Judea will also retain any Nabatean regions captured during the war. Besides this, Judea will not attack any sovereign nations within Ptolemy's sphere of influence (the Arabian Peninsula, North Africa up to Cyrenaica, and East Africa). In return, Ptolemy will not intervene in Judean conquest of areas that are not sovereign states, or that are outside of Ptolemy's sphere of influence".
This is in no way acceptable.
You are demanding, (from a position of weakness due to your own over expansion) the right to retain regions from countries that are either client states or allies of Egypt. Nabatea in return for being a client state has a justified expectation that Egypt will protect her territorial integrity. This is exactly what Egypt will do.
Egypt thanks the Seleucids for this "independent unbiased" analysis. It has yet to be established if this argument was composed in the Seleucid court or in Jerusalem by the High Priests themselves...jimwinsor wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 2:00 pmSince there are no mechanics for returning regions to NAB, a client state, I’m not sure what the point here is. Any attempt by PTO to “protect her territorial integrity” will do the opposite, adding reconquered regions to PTO, not NAB.devoncop wrote: ↑Fri Aug 23, 2019 9:58 am"Judea will be permitted to retake the regions captured by Arabia, as well as the one region already agreed to between Judea and Ptolemy. Judea will also retain any Nabatean regions captured during the war. Besides this, Judea will not attack any sovereign nations within Ptolemy's sphere of influence (the Arabian Peninsula, North Africa up to Cyrenaica, and East Africa). In return, Ptolemy will not intervene in Judean conquest of areas that are not sovereign states, or that are outside of Ptolemy's sphere of influence".
This is in no way acceptable.
You are demanding, (from a position of weakness due to your own over expansion) the right to retain regions from countries that are either client states or allies of Egypt. Nabatea in return for being a client state has a justified expectation that Egypt will protect her territorial integrity. This is exactly what Egypt will do.
I think it needs to be realized that regions taken by JUD in its purely defense wars (number of actual DOWs issued in this conflict: ARA: 1, PTO: 1, NAB: 1, JUD: 0) are basically spilled milk and cannot, in all practicality, be “returned.” They might be released to independent status depending on the Loyalty there, but how can you make AI countries “retake” them? Answer: you can’t.
The best strategy for preserving NAB’s territorial integrity would have been for Egypt not to have declared war on JUD in the first place. Or at least have prepositioned forces to defend NAB regions prior to a DOW. Since Egypt did neither, it’s hardly in a position to complain here.
The only real practical peace solution here is JUD”s original offer. If JUD is asked to give up regions, let’s be honest here: those regions will go to PTO, and not anyone else. ARA and NAB’s “territorial integrity” has pretty much left the building.
The Strategikon Council of the Antigonid Kingdom applauds the forbearance and wisdom of the Judean People's Front.
The Ptolemaic Court applauds the skill of Judean diplomats in persuading anyone outside the recently established "Centre for the Habitually Gullible" in Jerusalem that black is white and white is black with regard to Judean actions