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Field of Glory : Renaissance Wars : General Discussion
Will army lists be sent with the beta test rules to the test group?
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cossacko54881 wrote:Will army lists be sent with the beta test rules to the test group?
polish-lithuanian
swedish
ottoman
moghul
all those samey western ones.
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Need some Muscovites/Russians too!OldenTired wrote:cossacko54881 wrote:Will army lists be sent with the beta test rules to the test group?
polish-lithuanian
swedish
ottoman
moghul
all those samey western ones.
You may as well take my money now!
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And lets not forget the other side of the world....Aztecs, Huaxtecs, Samurai, Yi Koreans, Ming Chinese, Burmese, etc...puster wrote:I hope they don`t forge the early renaissance in the test armies, especially the Italian wars. These formed the cauldron where many of the later tactics evolved and many old features where buried.
I think until the introduction of the musket they are already served with FOG. Of course there can be some interesting scenarios for the Japanese wars, or their invasion of Korea. I doubt that it makes sense to apply this ruleset to any battles in the new world, though.Huaxtec15mm wrote:And lets not forget the other side of the world....Aztecs, Huaxtecs, Samurai, Yi Koreans, Ming Chinese, Burmese, etc...puster wrote:I hope they don`t forge the early renaissance in the test armies, especially the Italian wars. These formed the cauldron where many of the later tactics evolved and many old features where buried.
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No? Not Conquistadores w/ allies vrs. Aztecs or Huaxtecs?puster wrote:I doubt that it makes sense to apply this ruleset to any battles in the new world, though.Huaxtec15mm wrote:And lets not forget the other side of the world....Aztecs, Huaxtecs, Samurai, Yi Koreans, Ming Chinese, Burmese, etc...puster wrote:I hope they don`t forge the early renaissance in the test armies, especially the Italian wars. These formed the cauldron where many of the later tactics evolved and many old features where buried.
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There is imho nothing in these battles that cannot be handled with standard FOG.Huaxtec15mm wrote:No? Not Conquistadores w/ allies vrs. Aztecs or Huaxtecs?
The main difference to battles just between Indians is the psychological effect of horses and muskets, and this effect would stand out of FOGR just as out of FOG. The number and equipment of Spaniards was, just imho, too limited to make a miltary impact that needs "Renaissance" rules. If you just give their units "elite" status it will probably all it takes to play the battles with FOG.
A skirmish game, on the other hand, with individuals, would be another matter.
BTW:Lets wait how the incoming FOG expansion "Blood and Gold" will handle this. Or the one before on the Far Eastern armies. I doubt there will be much left for the Renaissance in the former, and I am eager to see where the latter ends. The Japanese civil wars certainly have sufficient development to play Renaissance rather then FOG in the later engagements.
So what period of time IS going to be covered by these rules,and why would I want to buy them?puster wrote:There is imho nothing in these battles that cannot be handled with standard FOG.Huaxtec15mm wrote:No? Not Conquistadores w/ allies vrs. Aztecs or Huaxtecs?
The main difference to battles just between Indians is the psychological effect of horses and muskets, and this effect would stand out of FOGR just as out of FOG. The number and equipment of Spaniards was, just imho, too limited to make a miltary impact that needs "Renaissance" rules. If you just give their units "elite" status it will probably all it takes to play the battles with FOG.
A skirmish game, on the other hand, with individuals, would be another matter.
BTW:Lets wait how the incoming FOG expansion "Blood and Gold" will handle this. Or the one before on the Far Eastern armies. I doubt there will be much left for the Renaissance in the former, and I am eager to see where the latter ends. The Japanese civil wars certainly have sufficient development to play Renaissance rather then FOG in the later engagements.
1500 to around 1700, afaik, what is called "Pike and Shot" by many.pylum2 wrote:So what period of time IS going to be covered by these rules,and why would I want to buy them?
It seems to cover the period from the introduction of the musket into effective usage, until the introduction of the linear formation and the final dump of the pike.
The engagements in the Americas imho do not have the characteristics that make special Renaissance warfare rules necessary. There were not that many battles that were decided by muskets, pikes or artillery. I will wait for the FOGR rules and the FOG expansion, however.
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Bear in mind that a LOT of stuff was missing, not just eastern lists. These are by no means anywhere near the amount of lists they'll be doing, just a quick sample of some armies. The email did say that some more lists would be coming shortly too.Huaxtec15mm wrote:Got the rules and army lists today. Very happy bo I must say. Surprised to see that Aztecs were included but Asians (Koreans, Samurai, Ming) were not!
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Indeed it does say "2" more army lists! I missed that on my first glance as I was in such a big hurry to print out the army lists. Heres hoping for Ming, Koreans, and Samurai in the next list!NicktheLemming wrote:Bear in mind that a LOT of stuff was missing, not just eastern lists. These are by no means anywhere near the amount of lists they'll be doing, just a quick sample of some armies. The email did say that some more lists would be coming shortly too.Huaxtec15mm wrote:Got the rules and army lists today. Very happy bo I must say. Surprised to see that Aztecs were included but Asians (Koreans, Samurai, Ming) were not!
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Huaxtec15mm wrote:Got the rules and army lists today. Very happy bo I must say. Surprised to see that Aztecs were included but Asians (Koreans, Samurai, Ming) were not!
What you have is a quick and dirty selection to get play testing the rules with.
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Yeah, I finally figured that out!nikgaukroger wrote:Huaxtec15mm wrote:Got the rules and army lists today. Very happy bo I must say. Surprised to see that Aztecs were included but Asians (Koreans, Samurai, Ming) were not!
What you have is a quick and dirty selection to get play testing the rules with.
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