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Re: Eastern Medieval 1000 to 1500 AD - Posting Results

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Rosedelio wrote: Mon Aug 08, 2022 5:52 pm Current results:
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Div A: ericdoman1 and harveylh are still neck-to-neck

Div B: angusosborne has a lead, but rpadilla1988 is catching up. Congrats to mh5064 for being the first to finish all his games.
@Ericdomann This is the example I'm talking about in western challewngues.
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Re: Eastern Medieval 1000 to 1500 AD - Posting Results

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Division B

Hari72 Indian (Rajput) 1050-1339

defeated

anderarcos11 Fatimid egyptian 1074-1171 AD with crusader 1155-1291 AD allies

56 - 25

and only on the last turn!

GG
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Re: Divisional Tables - 7th week

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anderarcos11 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:12 pm
ericdoman1 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:19 pm
anderarcos11 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 12:06 pm

Hello. I want to ask what my draw is, I think I have won all 3 battles and lost another. I think I've won all of them by big difference.

Vitories

anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat afromullet (German City NW 1400-1449ADD) 50 to 27. Score is 83 to 27.
anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat gort7078 (Swiss 1491 - 1500 AD) 49 to 15. Score is 94 to 15.
anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat mh5064 (Florentine 1424 AD) 53 to 13. Score is 100 to 13

Losses

hscic with Danish 1488 - 1500 AD and Swedish 1397 - 1500 AD allied defeated anderarcos11 with Florentine 1415 - 1439 AD 43 - 14

My total score is 277, but in the list appears 255. The score of the challengue with afromullet is wrong.
A 50 - 27 is not an outright victory. In order for you to have an outright victory you need to have beaten your opponent by 25%+ and scored 40% +
I do not understand well. In all of the previous TDC, that was counted as an outright win. What is the calculation of points then?

If you look at the results of the eastern challenges, it's not counting as a draw that way. For example, the following battles are given as won and have differences of just a few points:

rpadilla1988 Crusader 1155 - 1291 defeats IMC Ayyubid Egyptian 1172-1250 AD and Khwarazmian 1232-1246 AD allies
(60 - 51)
wzfcns Polish 1455-1500 AD defeats mh5064 Byzantine 1155-1204 AD with Crusaders 63-50

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In this TDC and all previous TDC and Digital League it would have counted as a draw.
The game will tell you if it is a victory and or if your enemy has broken.
For an outright victory
The winner needs to score 40%+ and the difference between the scores is 25% +
The winner has scored 60%+ and more than opponents score

In your game you won by 23% so it is not an outright victory, it is a draw
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Re: TDC Imperial - Results

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Division C

phlewis Byzantine 551-578 AD
defeated
wzfcns Northern Dynasties (Northern Zhou) 557-581 AD

41 vs 64

It was a tough fight. On my right the Cataphracts broke through my legionaires and the Zhou cavalry were eventually able to surround and swamp my cavalry. The dismounted nobles in my center were able to defeat the cataphracts and break through the mixed infantry and turn to the right to face the Zhou that had turned my right flank. My left flank cavalry broke the Zhou right flank cavalry and turned on the Zhou infantry catching them in flank and rear. It was a close call, if wzfcns had been able to turn my right flank a turn or two sooner I would have been in deep trouble.
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Re: TDC II - Eastern Medieval: 1000 AD - 1500 AD Challenges

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Division B

Hari72 Indian (Rajput) 1050-1339
challenges
wzfcns Polish 1455-1500

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Re: Divisional Tables - 7th week

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ericdoman1 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 3:11 pm
anderarcos11 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 2:12 pm
ericdoman1 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 1:19 pm

A 50 - 27 is not an outright victory. In order for you to have an outright victory you need to have beaten your opponent by 25%+ and scored 40% +
I do not understand well. In all of the previous TDC, that was counted as an outright win. What is the calculation of points then?

If you look at the results of the eastern challenges, it's not counting as a draw that way. For example, the following battles are given as won and have differences of just a few points:

rpadilla1988 Crusader 1155 - 1291 defeats IMC Ayyubid Egyptian 1172-1250 AD and Khwarazmian 1232-1246 AD allies
(60 - 51)
wzfcns Polish 1455-1500 AD defeats mh5064 Byzantine 1155-1204 AD with Crusaders 63-50

DYXNHL2.png
In this TDC and all previous TDC and Digital League it would have counted as a draw.
The game will tell you if it is a victory and or if your enemy has broken.
For an outright victory
The winner needs to score 40%+ and the difference between the scores is 25% +
The winner has scored 60%+ and more than opponents score

In your game you won by 23% so it is not an outright victory, it is a draw

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Ok, but then, I don't understand why in other divisions with minor differences it is given as a victory. I've been seeing that several times. I don't see that criterion in the rules either. It only says how you score based on draws or wins. I have a hard time understanding that a draw is a battle with a 23% difference. I am looking at other divisions and in all of them, it is said that one player wins over another, with differences of less than 23%. I give you two some examples:

Najanaja (Hannibal in Italy) beat Garokan (Numidian with Romans) 63 - 53.
Dreddradish Spanish (Sertorius) defeats klayeckles (Kyrenean Greek 460 with Carthiaginian Allies) 56 - 3
Bodhran (Samnites with Gallic Allies) defeated Challenge1 (Gallic 300-101 with Samnite Allies) 52-44
Badger73 (Germanic Foot Tribes 260-599 AD with Roman 379-424 AD allies) defeated wzfcns (Northern Dynasties [Northern Zhou] 557-581AD): 62-41

In this other case, in the imperial division, it is a loss by me that is counted as a win, not a draw, and the difference is 13 points.

unai98 ( Pyrrhic 280-275) defeats anderarcos11 (Roman 105-25) 47 - 60

Even in this same division, battles like this are given as victory and more points are added.

gfs26 (Low Countries 1488-1500) defeated edb1815 (Milanese 1440-1500) with a final score of 62-50
Triarii Danish 1488-1500 with German (Feudal) 1490-1500 allies Defeats (barely) oscarius Florentine 1424 AD 61-48
gfs26 (Low Countries 1488-1500) defeats GraftMalt (Berber (Murabit) 1087 - 1147 AD) with a final score of 60-57
gort7078 Swiss defeated TomoeGozen English Continentals 62-49

All the examples I see are wins in this case. So I do not understand. Either it is being done wrong in all the divisions, or something is wrong.
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Re: TDC II - Western Medieval: 1000 AD - 1500 AD Posting Results

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Division C

anderarcos11 (Florentine 1400-1414 AD) beat ulysisgrunt French 1484-1500. 69 to 52. Score is 77 to 52.


The battle has taken place between two hills, where the French cavalry attempted a frontal charge. The Florentines managed to take up positions on the sides of the hills and end up outflanking the French army. Adjusted victory.
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Re: Divisional Tables - 7th week

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Here are some draws

Re: Eastern Medieval 1000 to 1500 AD - Posting Results
Div A

Questar17 Hussite (Utraquist) 1419-1479 AD draws Kroche Crusader 1155-1291AD w Syrian States allies 1090-1286AD 59:55

On very rough terrain and hilly terrain both players did a lot of shooting with the similar results. Finalizing a battle by melee combats of knights pikes and vagons.

thx for the game

Re: TDC - Classical - Posting Results - Season 2
Div A
tyronec (Macedonian)
draws with
Dredredish (Spanish)
37-3
Thanks for the game

Re: TDC - Classical - Posting Results - Season 2
Division D

phlewis 4 vs GeneralKostas 35

For a victory you need to have won by 25%+ and scored 40%+

or

Scored 60%+ and more than your opponent.

These are the rules we use, copied from the Slitherine tournaments scoring system
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Re: TDC II - Dark Ages - Divisions/Armies - Issue Challenges

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Div A

dreddradish (Indian) challenges carpenkm (Khorasian)

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Re: Divisional Tables - 7th week

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ericdoman1 wrote: Thu Aug 18, 2022 8:29 pm Here are some draws

Re: Eastern Medieval 1000 to 1500 AD - Posting Results
Div A

Questar17 Hussite (Utraquist) 1419-1479 AD draws Kroche Crusader 1155-1291AD w Syrian States allies 1090-1286AD 59:55

On very rough terrain and hilly terrain both players did a lot of shooting with the similar results. Finalizing a battle by melee combats of knights pikes and vagons.

thx for the game

Re: TDC - Classical - Posting Results - Season 2
Div A
tyronec (Macedonian)
draws with
Dredredish (Spanish)
37-3
Thanks for the game

Re: TDC - Classical - Posting Results - Season 2
Division D

phlewis 4 vs GeneralKostas 35

For a victory you need to have won by 25%+ and scored 40%+

or

Scored 60%+ and more than your opponent.

These are the rules we use, copied from the Slitherine tournaments scoring system
I don't see much point in 37% vs. 3% being a draw, when it's a clear victory. That is to say, with these rules it is convenient for you to suffer losses and that the battle is prolonged, because otherwise, they will give you a draw. Has no sense.

That is the rules of the game
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In Digital League, HOML, Slitherine Tournaments, WTC, EGL, LOEG and TDC. 37 -3 and 50 -27 are classed as draws. That is you did not rout the enemy. IN DL 37 - 3 would be a 2 - 1 result, 50 - 27 would be a 2 - 2 results. In the others the results would be 37 - 3 and 50 - 27
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Re: TDC II - Dark Ages - Post Results

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Division B

Kroche (Frankish 751-887AD w Saxon (Continental) 600-804AD allies)

Defeated

mcfcivo (Andalusian 756 - 1049AD Allies - Spanish 900-1049AD)

60:39

Map was divided horizontally by a shallow stream. There was a small hill on the Frankish right, an area of rough ground opposite with the rest open terrain. Frankish heavy infantry occupied the hill with their line continuing across the open ground with a decent force of cavalry protecting the left. Andalusians deployed their infantry in the centre with a cavalry wing on either side.

The Anadalusian left moved to change flanks as the Frankish infantry moved to engage the Muslim spear in the centre. Cavalry forces on Frankish left engaged each other in fairly equal numbers. The Frankish foot started to eat into the Muslim spear and caused them a few cohesion drops and routs. It looked like a decent victory was going to be claimed as the score moved to 18-0, but the Andalusian mounted left wing had made its way to the opposite flank and caused carnage to the Frankish cavalry who had not been doing that well vs the initial Andalusian horse deployed there.

Andalusian cavalry used their greater numbers to overcharge into countless flank attacks and bring the score to level pegging at 29-29. The Frankish infantry had managed to stay fairly intact and completely defeat the Andalusian foot just in time to form a line of defence against the rampant Andalusian lancers and stem the losses. The Andalusians had left a small force on their left which was eventually overpowered by the Franks initially deployed on the hill.

Lots of huge swings in momentum in this match and Frankish survivors do not want to come up against mounted lancers again anytime soon! GG
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Re: TDC Classical - Season 2 Challenges - Attention! New version of Silk Road mod to be downloaded.

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Games for Janohito ... Assyrian 681-609 with Egyptian Allies and opoli51 ... Armenians (Tigranes) 83-69 with Pontic Allies avaliable, PM sent.
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Re: TDC Imperial - Challenges

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Game for Badger73 Germanic Foot Tribes 260-599 AD with Roman 379-424 AD allies created, PM sent
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Re: TDC II - Eastern Medieval: 1000 AD - 1500 AD Challenges

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I have created all pending challenges, PM sent to all players.
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Re: TDC - Classical - Posting Results - Season 2

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DIV D

ZeCid Macedonian defeat anderarcos11 Roman 63-44
War is like hunting, except rabbits shot you back
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Re: TDC Classical - Season 2 Challenges - Attention! New version of Silk Road mod to be downloaded.

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Div A
game for Questar 17

klayeckles ... Kyrenean Greek 460 with Carthaginian Allies
Questar17 ... Pontic 110-85
PW klay
posted.
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Re: TDC Imperial - Results

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DIV C

anderarcos11 Roman defeat ZeCid Roman 61-58
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Re: TDC II - Dark Ages - Post Results

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Division C

phlewis German 888-932 defeated ulysisgrunt Normans 923-1040 w/ French allies 888-1049 AD

28 vs 59
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Re: TDC II - Dark Ages - Post Results

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Division A

Dreddradish Indian (Hindu north) 600 - 1049 CE defeats BobGanoush Byzantine 904-962 with Croatian allies 62 - 39

The two armies drew up facing each other with the Indians occupying a wide central hill and the Byzantines with their army split into two mixed cav and foot flanks split around a central wooded firebase of archers and artillery.
Under artillery pressure the Indians were the first to move and launched a probing attack on their left. Initial positive results quickly soured and the Byzantines were able to rout the attackers, however their long internal lines of communication prevented them from effectively supporting this victory and led to them becoming dangerously strung out. These scattered units were set upon by the Indian reserves (which included elephants that had been kept at bay by artillery) and defeated in detail. An opportunistic assault on the denuded Indian right showed promise but for a single unit of archers holding at fragmented until the elephants were able to arrive and provoke a general rout, sealing the Byzantine loss.

A tough game well played.
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Re: TDC II - Dark Ages - Divisions/Armies - Issue Challenges

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Div. B
Rob123 Byzantine 963-987AD with Arab (Syria/Iraq) 890-1008AD allies challenges frederic02 Byzantine 902-962AD

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