Slitherine

Well, I presume the issue that is perceived with either allowing the app on the device to print a PDF, or simply selling it as a PDF in the first place, is that they assume that the proportion of people who will then play using a copy of the PDF will be rather more than they are comfortable with.

Oh for cripes sake. Make it a e book platform (all will see color) and you are done. You cannot share and e book if you use a kindle or nook and I am sure some of the other versions. Then you are done. Plus if someone rips off or your tablet dies you go to your "cloud account" and pull it back down to YOUR tablet. You can only have 1 copy of any e book.

Christ I am a Fireman and I figured this out!
Irondog

Iron dog nickname will be farenheit 451

Best regards

thefrenchjester " paper , scissors , rocks and beards "

irondog068 wrote:Christ I am a Fireman and I figured this out!
Irondog

Pouring oil on the flames, methinks! What are you saying about firemen?

I kind of like the Fahrenheit 451..
Most people think all we do in a fire is break everything and spray water everywhere. And really don't understand why we don't spray water that is outside the building

Be sure FOG is dead in France if the V2 is not on a paper rulebook or writable version...

I do agree they will all play " l'art de la guerre" and all tournaments will suffer ...

bahdahbum wrote:I do agree they will all play " l'art de la guerre" and all tournaments will suffer ...

apparently the English version of Art de la Guerre will be released in September

stecal wrote:apparently the English version of Art de la Guerre will be released in September

... and it will be available on iPad as an app. But only if you've got the latest version of the iOS, and were born on a Tuesday.

*this post was not meant to be taken seriously.

With all these complaints this really seems to be a huge mistake. Maybe someone had it right when they said Slitherine wants the computer game to take over.

Doesn't Ospery have a say in this anymore?

ravenflight wrote:

stecal wrote:apparently the English version of Art de la Guerre will be released in September

... and it will be available on iPad as an app. But only if you've got the latest version of the iOS, and were born on a Tuesday.

*this post was not meant to be taken seriously.

Hi,

sorry but I think they will not do an APP for it before far long in the future, in France all the use of digital things are only coming very, very, very slowly in our minds, the "zero paper" is not for tomorrow , at least in France
and Wargaming in France is a "niche" in the "niche", when you say that you play with figures, the first answer of the "non believer" is " ok,ok,are you're playing toy soldiers ?????

I bought it, just because I buy all the wargame rules I can, just to support the devellopement hobby in our country, and I like to read books with attractive pictures, I don't play "Art de la Guerre" , I like FOG, I enjoy to play it and I will continue to do it, Sebastofig will be better able to speak to you of this ruleset in Private mail if he read this post;

Best regards

thefrenchjester " FOG apostle in France;-) "

irondog068 wrote:With all these complaints this really seems to be a huge mistake. Maybe someone had it right when they said Slitherine wants the computer game to take over.

Doesn't Ospery have a say in this anymore?

In response to irondog068's question about Osprey, the following points are pure speculation, judging from what I have read in this forum and other websites:

1. Osprey probably would not be interested in publishing FoG Ancients 2.0.
-If they are interested, why doesn't Slitherine continue with Osprey? I would think this involves minimal costs to Slitherine.
-If Osprey is interested, and a digital version is planned, they will probably publish the pdf version of FoG2.0, since some of their other books are already in pdf format.

2. At this point, there probably is an agreement of some sort with the digital publisher already.
-if not, then why the long silence?
-they probably are aware of the players' differing points of view (mostly negative probably) and are probably struggling to decide on what to do.

Again, the above are pure speculative points.

I would not like to see FoG Ancients 2.0 fail.

I think Slitherine have jumped in at the wrong moment in respect of doing an all digital version. What tablet or smartphone system do you go with at the moment? Ok, Apple appears to be the logical choice as they completely dominate the tablet market at the moment. But that could all change by the end of this year as both Google and Microsoft are entering the tablet and smartphone markets in a big way. I am reminded of the console wars situation a few years ago which is almost indentical to the tablet and smartphone situation we are in currently. At the time Nintendo totally dominated the console field, with Sony in second place and then Microsoft a very poor third place. Look at it now, in less than five years Microsoft has gone from losing millions on the X-box to now being in the dominate position, with both Nintendo and Sony haemorraging money on their products and one of them likely to pull out of the console market soon.

Slitherine would be best putting out the game as a watermarked PDF version until such a time as the market shows us which format will be the 'standard' of the future (and that may well be Google with its Android system if those in the know are right).

Slitherine is a computer business, pc games and so on . I suppose they think everybody has his own tablet and will have the rules on a tablet ...bad move.

I would reallt prefer a PDF version, downloadable and printable .

If they think uou need a book to be safe, they are wrong, it is possible to download FOG here and there, not to speak of photocopies .

If they prepare a not printable version, someone will be able to crack it and put it somewhere on internet ...

Why not , as JILU, suggested to me, a downloadeable version, if you buy it your name is recorded and only those people who bought it from the site can entre the ELO . Not everybody wants to be ELO but enough people might be interested .

I do not have that much problem with a tablet based rules (mind you I have a Android tablet). But, to pick only 1 system, You are cutting yourself off of close to at least 1/2 (if not more) of the people playing these rules. Here is why:
1) People who do not have a Ipod will not buy 1 for a set of rules ($400.00 for and ipod or $400.00 in miniatures, well nuff said).
2) People who own an Android tablet that goes with there smart phone (In the US at least Android systems out sell apple systems for several months) are not going to drop $400.00 for a second tablet.

I think Slitherine will stop supporting FOG V2 when they see the poor return on there investment.
Which is a pity because my Japanese are more deadly.

bahdahbum wrote:Why not , as JILU, suggested to me, a downloadeable version, if you buy it your name is recorded and only those people who bought it from the site can entre the ELO . Not everybody wants to be ELO but enough people might be interested .

The ELO ranking is not run by Slitherine. You are putting a lot of extra work on Martin for that and Slitherine are not going to pay him.

stecal wrote:

bahdahbum wrote:I do agree they will all play " l'art de la guerre" and all tournaments will suffer ...

apparently the English version of Art de la Guerre will be released in September

I will be very interested to see what those rules are like. And even more interested to know what the authors/publishers are like and their long term plans.

Art de la Guerre is a mix of DBM and FOG . In fact the guy who wrote the rules first agreed to translate FOG in French, then stopped and .....Aty de la Guerre got out before FOG . In France many players play that rule as it is faster but ...you have to like DBM first even if there are some other interesting features . It is still a PIP system .

>If they think uou need a book to be safe, they are wrong, it is possible to download FOG here and there, not to speak of photocopies .

And on that point, you are talking complete bollix. The harder it is to do, and the more it feels like doing something dishonest, the fewer people will do it. Make it too easy, and many people will do it.

And on that point, you are talking complete bollix. The harder it is to do, and the more it feels like doing something dishonest, the fewer people will do it. Make it too easy, and many people will do it.

No bollix ( if I catch the meaning right) just plain truth . It takes only one guy who will crack teh system and it is done and free for all ...You find all the FOG books on internet dowlaodable ...

I did not say I would do it, just that some people are a bit to paranoiacs about security . Most players ( the big majority ) will buy the rules .