Slitherine

I'm up for this but someone needs to tell me what faction and what army I'd be using.

GDod wrote: ↑Thu May 23, 2024 9:22 pm Amendments

• The majority prefer "very large armies, wide terrain"

• Please re-read attacking your own faction. If challenger looses, they forfeit all provinces to the challenged. Previous versions had this the wrong way round.

• Corrected ownership of Beijing, which was incorrectly transposed on progress record.

• Okie may be joining us. Not yet confirmed. While the number of provinces each side will remain the same, province ownership may change slightly.

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Okay, the part about attacking your own faction makes more sense now.

Okie wrote: ↑Fri May 24, 2024 6:11 am I'm up for this but someone needs to tell me what faction and what army I'd be using.

• You've been added as anti-Ming Okie. You may have to work a little harder with only one province
  

Please read the final versions of rules, map and progress record before launch on 1st June everyone. We a week to spot potential problems. I recommend that each emperor talk to your faction to ensure a path of conquest that doesn't end in a dead-end for one of your generals (i.e A player becoming surrounded by their own faction's provinces. So, they are unable to launch challenge).

Having breakfast this morning I was reading the "Today in History" column in the morning newspaper and what did I find ....
" 1644- Ming General Wu Sangui forms an alliance with the invading Manchus and opens the gates of the Great Wall of China at Shanhaiguan pass, letting the Manchus through towards the capital, Beijing "

Good timing of your Campaign Gavin

KiwiWarlord wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:27 pm Having breakfast this morning I was reading the "Today in History" column in the morning newspaper and what did I find ....
" 1644- Ming General Wu Sangui forms an alliance with the invading Manchus and opens the gates of the Great Wall of China at Shanhaiguan pass, letting the Manchus through towards the capital, Beijing "

Good timing of your Campaign Gavin

Blimey, fybyyn is a few days early...you just can't trust traitors nowadays!

Start date for posting challenges is Saturday 1st June 8:45am GMT, 8:45pm NZST.

KiwiWarlord wrote: ↑Sat May 25, 2024 10:27 pm Having breakfast this morning I was reading the "Today in History" column in the morning newspaper and what did I find ....
" 1644- Ming General Wu Sangui forms an alliance with the invading Manchus and opens the gates of the Great Wall of China at Shanhaiguan pass, letting the Manchus through towards the capital, Beijing "

Good timing of your Campaign Gavin

TRUE! He did it because he was in love!...

fybyyn wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 7:17 am
TRUE! He did it because he was in love!...

I notice he never recovered his concubine, Chen Yuanyuan, and she " ...missed Wu Sangui to the point of physical and mental exhaustion".
However, I note he eventually double-crossed both of his masters, the Ming and the Qing dynasties! Food for thought, eh fybyyn?

Well, there was no Ming anymore when he defected to the Manchus. The Emperor was dead, Li Zicheng blocked his way and insisted on having him submitted or dead, and quite a few of his family and Liaodong fellows were already in the Manchu camp. Keeping a Ming loyalty to die crushed between two superior forces would have been foolish.

Changdao wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 9:24 am Well, there was no Ming anymore when he defected to the Manchus. The Emperor was dead, Li Zicheng blocked his way and insisted on having him submitted or dead, and quite a few of his family and Liaodong fellows were already in the Manchu camp. Keeping a Ming loyalty to die crushed between two superior forces would have been foolish.

I take your point. I should really have only included generals who defected to the Manchu's prior to 1634. However, Wu Sangui, Zu Dashou, and Hong Chengchou defected to the Qing after Li Yongfang's short lived Shun Dynasty and death in 1634. Hence, they belong in the Anti-Ming camp despite Wu Sangui's enmity against Li.

GDod wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 11:56 pm

Changdao wrote: ↑Sun May 26, 2024 9:24 am Well, there was no Ming anymore when he defected to the Manchus. The Emperor was dead, Li Zicheng blocked his way and insisted on having him submitted or dead, and quite a few of his family and Liaodong fellows were already in the Manchu camp. Keeping a Ming loyalty to die crushed between two superior forces would have been foolish.

I take your point. I should really have only included generals who defected to the Manchu's prior to 1634. However, Wu Sangui, Zu Dashou, and Hong Chengchou defected to the Qing after Li Yongfang's short lived Shun Dynasty and death in 1634. Hence, they belong in the Anti-Ming camp despite Wu Sangui's enmity against Li.

Yes, I'm fine with them being anti-Ming. Wu Sangui is still the arch-defector of the period so it would have been strange to leave him out

Start date for posting challenges is Saturday 1st June 8:45am GMT, 8:45pm NZST.

To post a challenge you should include

• challenger's name

• list used

• originating province name

• challengee's name

• contested province name

eg: GDod (player) using Southern Ming 1597-1683 (list) from Hubei (province) challenges Changdao (player) for Sichuan (province)

To accept you should set up the battle and post acceptance on the forum including;

• challengee's name

• list used

• password

Remember this does not stop the challengee from issuing their own challenge for another province.

Challenge Posted for Lascar of Jiangxi Province

KiwiWarlord using Southern Ming 1597-1683 from Anhui Province Challenges Lascar for Jiangxi Province.

After that unprovoked attack by the Ming we have to respond!

PeterThePainter using Qing 1636 - 1700 from Qinghai province challenges Ahuyton for Gansu province.

Changdao using Qing 1636-1700 challenges smjohnso77 for Shaanxi province

GDod using Southern Ming 1597-1683 from Jiangsu province challenges Okie for Taiwan

EARLY CHALLENGES - DAY ONE(a)

Gansu Southern Ming challenges Changdao in the province of Sichuan.

Gansu welcomes PeterthePainter to Gansu and suggests an early kick-off between his Qing and our Southern Ming (1597-16xx)

ahuyton wrote: ↑Sun Jun 02, 2024 4:56 am Gansu Southern Ming challenges Changdao in the province of Sichuan.

Match posted for ahuyton, using Qing 1636-1700. Password is Gansu