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Kawaleria
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Bitter end 45

Post by Kawaleria » Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:37 pm

Hello,

I play Grand Campaign Eastern front on Manstein level and I've just finished Budapest 45 with hard-fought DV. As far as i know there are only 3 scenarios ahead but it seems to be now impossible due to low prestige . my prestige total peaked in late 1943 in excess of 80K but since then each scen slowly had drained my resorces . Now I have around 25K and wonder if this is enough. some claim that you need overstrenght heavily for Berlin...

the question is is it possible to win DVs from now on in more economic way, with tanks slightly bolstered - 11 strenght? should I invest in AA and the air force and play rest with more steady approach?

The begining of Sealow Heights seems undermines such theory,

other question - is there any ''reference'' level of prestige total you begin 1945 that guarantees succesfull end of the Grand Campaign?

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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by faos333 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:14 am

Hi kawaleria, I think you can make it tiil the end.

Seelow heights, it is easier than the last two battles, in which you need over strenghts.

You can try few surrenders in Seelow heights to boost your prestige. Avoid the fighters over strength because is costly, better use your AA how many you have?

If you can share a save at the begining of Seelow heights, I can give you more ideas. Im playing Manstein east 44.
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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by goose_2 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:53 am

Kawaleria wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:37 pm
Hello,

I play Grand Campaign Eastern front on Manstein level and I've just finished Budapest 45 with hard-fought DV. As far as i know there are only 3 scenarios ahead but it seems to be now impossible due to low prestige . my prestige total peaked in late 1943 in excess of 80K but since then each scen slowly had drained my resorces . Now I have around 25K and wonder if this is enough. some claim that you need overstrenght heavily for Berlin...

the question is is it possible to win DVs from now on in more economic way, with tanks slightly bolstered - 11 strenght? should I invest in AA and the air force and play rest with more steady approach?

The begining of Sealow Heights seems undermines such theory,

other question - is there any ''reference'' level of prestige total you begin 1945 that guarantees succesfull end of the Grand Campaign?
I have a 1945 campaign core with excellent heroes and over 100k in prestige that I built up playing Manstein all the way through. Let me know if you want me to send it to you.
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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by TSPC37730 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:19 pm

goose_2 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:53 am
Kawaleria wrote:
Sun Apr 11, 2021 7:37 pm
Hello,

I play Grand Campaign Eastern front on Manstein level and I've just finished Budapest 45 with hard-fought DV. As far as i know there are only 3 scenarios ahead but it seems to be now impossible due to low prestige . my prestige total peaked in late 1943 in excess of 80K but since then each scen slowly had drained my resorces . Now I have around 25K and wonder if this is enough. some claim that you need overstrenght heavily for Berlin...

the question is is it possible to win DVs from now on in more economic way, with tanks slightly bolstered - 11 strenght? should I invest in AA and the air force and play rest with more steady approach?

The begining of Sealow Heights seems undermines such theory,

other question - is there any ''reference'' level of prestige total you begin 1945 that guarantees succesfull end of the Grand Campaign?
I have a 1945 campaign core with excellent heroes and over 100k in prestige that I built up playing Manstein all the way through. Let me know if you want me to send it to you.
Private message me
Goose also has some good videos on his YouTube page.

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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by goose_2 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:49 pm

Thanks for the shout out. Yeah I have all videos of my Manstein 45 playthrough. I gave up in Berlin...I could have finished but I lost interest. I hope to be able to complete this time on Ultimate. It helps to have encouragement from the viewers. ;)
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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by faos333 » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:23 pm

goose_2 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 7:49 pm
Thanks for the shout out. Yeah I have all videos of my Manstein 45 playthrough. I gave up in Berlin...I could have finished but I lost interest. I hope to be able to complete this time on Ultimate. It helps to have encouragement from the viewers. ;)
the link for Seelow Heights is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhcOU6lRbyI
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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by PeteMitchell » Mon Apr 12, 2021 8:58 pm

I am surprised goose didn't finish it? :shock: 8)
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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by Ursulet » Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:08 pm

I have never ever finished the east GC.

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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by faos333 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:57 am

Ursulet wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 9:08 pm
I have never ever finished the east GC.
:shock: you should :D
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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by faos333 » Tue Apr 13, 2021 9:58 am

there is also a recent video from Lt Joker on you tube showing a diff approach for this battle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wXcX2l0mnJM&t=834s
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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by Kawaleria » Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:15 am

faos333 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:14 am
Hi kawaleria, I think you can make it tiil the end.
I have finished Seelow heights with DV, i stopped Russians on rivers so there wasnt many surrenders.Prestige total is 15K but i see now there are only two scens in Berlin.. i have 65 units so i can off load and sell 10 units gaining additional 4K. both Berlin scenarios seem hard though

hmm i figured out the first capitol battle is about control of air fields. backbone of my army is infantry ; 15 top units including 2 SE inf grenadiers so i think i can make it. its a urban battle for sure

the only thing i will make corrections and replace artys to high ammo models.

army composition For rest of 45 campaign;

15 inf incl 2 SE units
15 tanks incl 7 SE units
5 AT
14 arty
7 AA
7 fighters
3 tactical bombers -
3 strategic bombers

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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by faos333 » Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:54 pm

Kawaleria wrote:
Sat Apr 24, 2021 2:15 am
faos333 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:14 am
Hi kawaleria, I think you can make it tiil the end.
I have finished Seelow heights with DV, i stopped Russians on rivers so there wasnt many surrenders.Prestige total is 15K but i see now there are only two scens in Berlin.. i have 65 units so i can off load and sell 10 units gaining additional 4K. both Berlin scenarios seem hard though

hmm i figured out the first capitol battle is about control of air fields. backbone of my army is infantry ; 15 top units including 2 SE inf grenadiers so i think i can make it. its a urban battle for sure

the only thing i will make corrections and replace artys to high ammo models.

army composition For rest of 45 campaign;

15 inf incl 2 SE units
15 tanks incl 7 SE units
5 AT
14 arty
7 AA
7 fighters
3 tactical bombers -
3 strategic bombers
Good you found solution to the prestige problem :-)
If I remember correctly, you can deploy 55 units in the last two battles, so you can sell a lot.
Personally I would deploy something like this:12 best infantry, 12 tanks, 2 AT, 12 artillery, 3 Tactical, 3 Strategic, 7 fighters, 4 Anti Air ...
But this depends on your style of play :-)
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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by Kawaleria » Mon May 10, 2021 10:09 pm

faos333 wrote:
Mon Apr 12, 2021 10:14 am
Hi kawaleria, I think you can make it tiil the end.
i did it! decisive victories in last 3 scenarios... i ended the victorious campaign with obscure 8K prestige .

I found Berlin redux harder then berlin. a lot of 4 and 5 star top russian armor units. actually i expected air battle to be more challanging but russian air attacks were only aiming towards certain area. once i put 5 top anti air units there it was pretty easy. the last scenario is tricky because allied level bombers could turn city hex into white flag making it neutral.

berlin redux needs some equipment s change like change towed artillery to mobile with higher defense parameters. lost my first and only 2 core units there . Watch out around turn 23 russians go for your airfields.

I try to prepare a chart for the whole campaign how prestige total was changing over the time.



to sum up a short rankings;

IMHO TOP 5 hardest scenarios on manstein level

1. Strachwitz Offensive 44
2. Budapest 44
4. Minsk 44
5. Stalingrad Ruins
3. Berlin Redux 45

Most FUN scenarios:

1. Vilna 44
2. Kremenchug 44
3. Return to Kiszyniew


Most decisive german equipment :

1. Tiger I
2. me 262 fighter
3. flak 88

Most Dengerous russian units:

1 SPAAG anti air
2. ISU 122
3. SU 100 anti tank



what now? I won original campaign on field marschal and the grand campaign on manstein level. probably starting US Corps campaign to feel other then german set of equipment..

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Re: Bitter end 45

Post by faos333 » Mon May 10, 2021 10:49 pm

Excellent news, well done on Manstein level of difficulty you are a true hero veteran!!

I agree on Strachwitz Offensive 44, is a rather difficult map the terrain is difficult, the opposition is tough and so so many A/A guns !!
The rest I have not played yet on 44 Manstein. I would add Sevastopol 42 and Oboyan 43 at Manstein also very hard scenarios.

As to what now, since you are a honored veteran, why not try the Battlefield Mod, an epic scenario with 99 turns from June 41 to July 45.
You can also start from Poland, Norway, France to train to the Mod.
You can down load and install easily, see this video
https://youtu.be/wQ2yQyNYMms

see the intro video for an inspiration
https://youtu.be/cXpgYJZx-iE
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