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Re: AO1942??

Post by George_Parr » Thu Jun 10, 2021 6:55 pm

Maybe Operation Blut is the fantasy positive result they are speaking of. So if you are successful in Stalingrad itself, you get this one as jumping off point for the future victory path, while you get the actual Operation Winter Storm as a relief-effort if you weren't successful enough, leading to the regular path for 1943.

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Re: AO1942??

Post by VirgilInTheSKY » Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:15 pm

wecker wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:43 pm
Operation Cerberus or Kanaldurchbruch seems to be a naval / aircraft scenario - protecting the breakout of german warships through the english channel into the Atlantic.
Operation Cerberus is to escort KM vessels from French port to German ports to protect Norway, not the one breaking into Atlantic.

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Re: AO1942??

Post by heinz1803 » Thu Jun 10, 2021 8:40 pm

https://www.slitherine.com/game/panzer- ... ns-1942/pc

17 Scenario List

- Rzhev 1942
- Demyansk Pocket
- Operation Cerberus
- Kummersdorf 1942
- Kerch Peninsula
- Second Battle of Kharkov
- Voronezh
- Voroshilovgrad SDO
- Operation Nordlicht
- Battle of Lake Ladoga
- Novorossiysk
- Grozny
- Bombing of Stalingrad
- Streets of Stalingrad
-Assault on Stalingrad
- Operation Blut
- Operation Winter Storm

Thank you for 1942 :) Ps: Check the screenshots on the page for a sneak preview.

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Re: AO1942??

Post by Panzer73 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:10 am

I am certainly looking forward to it! The screenshots are tantalizing...

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Re: AO1942??

Post by monkspider » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:08 am

General Paulus! This looks amazing, an impressive scenario list too. I can't wait!

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Re: AO1942??

Post by Vorskl » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:19 am

Judging from the location names, here is my guess on the scenario types:

- Rzhev 1942 - defense and then counter-attack, heavy maneuver of your available scarce forces
- Demyansk Pocket - same as above
- Operation Cerberus - something naval?
- Kummersdorf 1942 - a training scenario for armor units?
- Kerch Peninsula - depends on the timing; stop the attack of the Crimean front and then push Soviet troops back into the water
- Second Battle of Kharkov - stop the attack of South and South-West fronts and then make yet another Kharkov encirclement
- Voronezh - depends on the time period Kerensky selected; either a classic panzer blitzkrieg OR a Stalingrad-like city battle
- Voroshilovgrad SDO - classic blitzcrieg; chase 9A into an encirclement at Millerovo; maybe even the battle of Rostov (depends on timing)
- Operation Nordlicht - I guess (and hope!) that meant to be the 'receiving' side of the Soviet Sinyavino Offense (it started 4 days earlier than planned O.N), not an imaginary Leningrad storming
- Battle of Lake Ladoga - Fiction?
- Novorossiysk - offense; probably some hunting of Soviet Black Sea Navy vessels
- Grozny - most likely a heavy defense/ retreat; the most remote location on the Eastern Front
- Bombing of Stalingrad - make strategic bombers great again
- Streets of Stalingrad - self-explanatory
- Assault on Stalingrad - self-explanatory
- Operation Blut - Fiction?
- Operation Winter Storm - save private Ryan general Paulus. A heavy offense attempt

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Re: AO1942??

Post by VirgilInTheSKY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 2:26 am

Vorskl wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:19 am
Judging from the location names, here is my guess on the scenario types:

- Rzhev 1942 - defense and then counter-attack, heavy maneuver of your available scarce forces
- Demyansk Pocket - same as above
- Operation Cerberus - something naval?
- Kummersdorf 1942 - a training scenario for armor units?
- Kerch Peninsula - depends on the timing; stop the attack of the Crimean front and then push Soviet troops back into the water
- Second Battle of Kharkov - stop the attack of South and South-West fronts and then make yet another Kharkov encirclement
- Voronezh - depends on the time period Kerensky selected; either a classic panzer blitzkrieg OR a Stalingrad-like city battle
- Voroshilovgrad SDO - classic blitzcrieg; chase 9A into an encirclement at Millerovo; maybe even the battle of Rostov (depends on timing)
- Operation Nordlicht - I guess (and hope!) that meant to be the 'receiving' side of the Soviet Sinyavino Offense (it started 4 days earlier than planned O.N), not an imaginary Leningrad storming
- Battle of Lake Ladoga - Fiction?
- Novorossiysk - offense; probably some hunting of Soviet Black Sea Navy vessels
- Grozny - most likely a heavy defense/ retreat; the most remote location on the Eastern Front
- Bombing of Stalingrad - make strategic bombers great again
- Streets of Stalingrad - self-explanatory
- Assault on Stalingrad - self-explanatory
- Operation Blut - Fiction?
- Operation Winter Storm - save private Ryan general Paulus. A heavy offense attempt
According to screenshots in the shop, Rzhev 1942 is a purely defensive scenario with bonus objectives to lift pockets of encircled units. Cerberus is an scenario you escort the naval vessels without direct control on them using your own air power, I guess without land units as they should be still fighting in Russia - or maybe taking some R&R. Kerch Peninsula is to end the statemate and capture Kerch. Voronezh and Streets of Stalingrad seems to be the two new "Close Air Support Operation" and sounds like again aerial only scenarios.

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Re: AO1942??

Post by Scrapulous » Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:32 am

Vorskl wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:19 am

- Operation Winter Storm - save private Ryan general Paulus. A heavy offense attempt
Maybe the ahistorical path is saving the 6th Army from Paulus.

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Re: AO1942??

Post by adiekmann » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:19 am

Scrapulous wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 3:32 am
Vorskl wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:19 am

- Operation Winter Storm - save private Ryan general Paulus. A heavy offense attempt
Maybe the ahistorical path is saving the 6th Army from Paulus.
Hmmmm...interesting thought. Could we be misreading the "different outcome" statement? Saving the 6th Army by successfully breaking them out would change history, but not in the way that I think most of us were first thinking (i.e. winning the Battle of Stalingrad). A bit like Operation Sealion was a failed operation, or I assumed that the "air only" battle in AO40 was going to be linked to Sea Lion, not Dunkirk. Could a similar situation be in store for us here, rather than open up a new path where the Germans defeat the Soviet Union? The more I think about it, the more I think Scrapulous and Vorski may be on to something...

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Re: AO1942??

Post by wecker » Fri Jun 11, 2021 9:48 am

VirgilInTheSKY wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 7:15 pm
wecker wrote:
Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:43 pm
Operation Cerberus or Kanaldurchbruch seems to be a naval / aircraft scenario - protecting the breakout of german warships through the english channel into the Atlantic.
Operation Cerberus is to escort KM vessels from French port to German ports to protect Norway, not the one breaking into Atlantic.
Hi and thank you for the correction.

Now I read it only on Wikipedia - I`m not really interested in Naval warfare - so I was completely false.

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Re: AO1942??

Post by BaronVonKrieg » Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:38 am

did anybody notice this detail in description of the dlc

THE AXIS OPERATIONS CONTINUE

The end of 1942 East is not the end of your campaign though, it is merely the latest step. At the conclusion of Axis Operations 1942 East, players will again be presented with the option to save their core force for use in the next installment of the Axis Operations Campaign.
Any campaign of the Axis Operations can be played individually as a standalone campaign.

so they are practically saying there will be AO East and West ?

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Re: AO1942??

Post by smashtheaxis » Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:33 pm

BaronVonKrieg wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:38 am
so they are practically saying there will be AO East and West ?
The DLC text mentions that there will be different endings for the 1942 DLC:
It is also the first Axis Operations DLC with more than one ending. Given the importance of the battle of Stalingrad, seen by many as the real turning point of the war, you will see different outcomes depending on how well you perform there.
So there could be a winning path and a losing path. Wonder how the winning path will look like. No more eastern front, because Stalingrad means the defeat of the Soviet Union? Or fictional battles in the east leading to a Moscow 1943 scenario?

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Re: AO1942??

Post by VirgilInTheSKY » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:20 pm

BaronVonKrieg wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:38 am
did anybody notice this detail in description of the dlc

THE AXIS OPERATIONS CONTINUE

The end of 1942 East is not the end of your campaign though, it is merely the latest step. At the conclusion of Axis Operations 1942 East, players will again be presented with the option to save their core force for use in the next installment of the Axis Operations Campaign.
Any campaign of the Axis Operations can be played individually as a standalone campaign.

so they are practically saying there will be AO East and West ?
AO 1941 is also called "1941 East", IIRC. So there maybe a "1941 Afrika" later when they have finished one story line of the campaign. It is also mentioned to have more than one endings, so maybe something like the base campaign where you can choose to retreat and enter the historical line, or fight back from Stalingrad (yes it is also Stalingrad in base campaign as the turning point) to claim a total victory against USSR, and then turning back to deal with the western UK/US forces.

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Re: AO1942??

Post by wecker » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:25 pm

Hm,

concerning the end of AO1942 maybe we see in the first case "win Stalingrad":
- March along the Volga
- Spring offensive 1943 Moscow or Kuybishew like in the normal campaign?
- After winning Moscow you have to switch in mid 1943 to Italy to fight the allied landings there

In case you "lose Stalingrad":
- evacuate Caucasus
- Battle for Rostow
- Battle for Charkov
- Battle for Kursk

I wonder why will we have in AO1942 so much aerial scenarios (3 from 17)?

- Operation Cerberus (Kriegsmarine moves from West to East through the channel under your aerial guidance)
- the "Close Air Support" Scenario for Hungarians (don?t know the name)
- Bombing of Stalingrad

Another question: what are optional scenarios?

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Re: AO1942??

Post by Bee1976 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:45 pm

adiekmann wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:19 am
rather than open up a new path where the Germans defeat the Soviet Union? The more I think about it, the more I think Scrapulous and Vorski may be on to something...
I agree. I would really love both, like in the base campaign, an ahistorical and a histroical path, but, if ao43 has again 16-20 scenarios this would mean a split in ~8 fpr the histroical path and 8 for the ahistorical path, which sounds short.
Or they do 2 dlcs ao43 historical and ao43 ahistorical. But that would delay non whermacht related panzercorps like soviet or allied corps i think.

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Re: AO1942??

Post by dalfrede » Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:15 pm

wecker wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 1:25 pm
Another question: what are optional scenarios?
Scenarios that you have a choice on whether you play them or not, Crete and Kiev are examples from AO41.
smashtheaxis wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 12:33 pm
So there could be a winning path and a losing path. Wonder how the winning path will look like. No more eastern front, because Stalingrad means the defeat of the Soviet Union? Or fictional battles in the east leading to a Moscow 1943 scenario?
There is not going to be a 'winning path' in AO4x,
in 2021-2022 anyway. The Devs don't have the resources to create historical and ahistorical paths.
They will do historical AO4xE and AO4xW, and Allied DLCs first. If there is a demand after these are finished they might do the 'winning path'. So don't hold your breath.
There comes a time on every project when it is time to shoot the engineer and ship the damn thing.

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Re: AO1942??

Post by WalterTFD » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:12 pm

Very hard to imagine that 1943 has 2 whole paths depending on end of 1942. My guess would be the scenario we saw in England invasion. 3-4 mission ahistorical path, skipped for those who lose in Stalingrad.

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Re: AO1942??

Post by Bee1976 » Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:55 pm

WalterTFD wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:12 pm
My guess would be the scenario we saw in England invasion. 3-4 mission ahistorical path, skipped for those who lose in Stalingrad.
Hopefully not, england scenarios were fun to play, but retreating felt wrong and unfun. I prefer a real ahistroical path over some ahistorical titbits. Even no ahistorical would fit better for me than something like the england scenarios.
But we will see.

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Re: AO1942??

Post by Snake97644 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:07 am

Bee1976 wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:55 pm
WalterTFD wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 5:12 pm
My guess would be the scenario we saw in England invasion. 3-4 mission ahistorical path, skipped for those who lose in Stalingrad.
Hopefully not, england scenarios were fun to play, but retreating felt wrong and unfun. I prefer a real ahistroical path over some ahistorical titbits. Even no ahistorical would fit better for me than something like the england scenarios.
But we will see.
Yes, I as well would rather wait for a proper ahistorical dlc, then have these mini ahistorical branches that still end in the same place.

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Re: AO1942??

Post by Snake97644 » Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:29 am

dalfrede wrote:
Fri Jun 11, 2021 4:15 pm
There is not going to be a 'winning path' in AO4x,
in 2021-2022 anyway. The Devs don't have the resources to create historical and ahistorical paths.
They will do historical AO4xE and AO4xW, and Allied DLCs first. If there is a demand after these are finished they might do the 'winning path'. So don't hold your breath.
I think you will be proven right on that matter, but honestly I am coming to the point where if I had to choose I would rather the devs go completely ahistorical after 1942. It would be a big risk and would upset a lot of people, but I think it would be a big and innovative departure. I will play a rehashing the losing historical path, but would enjoy something new much more. Covering Kursk, Bagration, Normandy, etc is much more satisfying from the allied perspective anyhow, and I can wait until the Soviet and Western Allied Corps for these battles to be covered, especially since they just were in the vanilla. "Winning to defeat" just seems unnecessarily boring given Kerensky and company seem willing to take risk and do things different. Just a thought, unpopular as it maybe.

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