Panzer Corps goes Pacific

[Retributarr]

A-historical_Dis-Historical_Re-Hetorical:
Rhetorical has several meanings which are close enough in meaning that they may easily cause confusion.

At any rate???... let's carry-on now!.

The "Japanese-Failure" In WWII... "was simply"... just unknowingly taking on too-much at one time... too-quickly on their plate!... in quick succession. This is one occasion where... "The Fastest Fork Wins!"... doesn't work to ones advantage.

So!... now as a for instance... lets push aside some of this overwhelming greedy-meal-intake... to instead...cut-back a little... and focus or re-concentrate efforts on fewer... more realistic obtainable objectives/targets... so as to deal conclusively with them first with enough force-structure... so as... to complete the effort.,, before tackling the 'Big-Elephant-CHINA'.

"A".. an 'A-Hypothetical' Game in this situation could give the Player... the choice to decide to deal with CHINA at a later, more convenient time of their place and choosing instead. This would then give the Player more resources to deal with the main area of concern, the Pacific region first priority... to firmly establish control of the area... with better defensive preparations and forces to hold it more securely.

Yes!... Japan went to Korea and China to get desperately needed metals, oil and such-like resources in quantity... even though the Pacific region itself had most of that already... but not in great-abundance.
Would or could this have worked?... I really can't be sure, but what they did instead for sure didn''t pan out for them!.

The need to Acquire those resources and to keep those resources requires controlling vast areas of the Pacific... no easy task!. In any-case!... this would be an interesting study.

[Retributarr]

Special-Event-Images:
Such as perhaps displaying an image or picture of 'Douglas Macarthur' coming off of a barge during the invasion of the Philippines... where he is displayed walking through the seashore water onto land. Even showing a picture of a victory 'Banzai-Victory-Cheer'... when the Japanese have had a successful combat or conquest action.

There are many other such instances in all the other theatres of WWII... where a brief-momentary picture is shown displaying or illustrating the context of the event... that could then enhance the believability of a Campaign or Scenario to make it feel so much more real.

[medkirtys]

A year has passed and still no news.

[Retributarr]

Firstly!... from my previous 'Posting':
["A".. an 'A-Hypothetical' Game in this situation could give the Player... the choice to decide to deal with CHINA at a later, more convenient time of their place and choosing instead. This would then give the Player more resources to deal with the main area of concern, the Pacific region first priority... to firmly establish control of the area... with better defensive preparations and forces to hold it more securely.]
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Yes!!!... Now!... with access to all of those 'Resources' that would have been tied-up'/commited to "The Conquest of China"... these would then instead be freed-up and available for... "The Conquest of Australia". I think that possibly that this would have been the better way-to-go!... Why???.

Because!... with 'Australia' "now-out-of-the-picture" as a 'Staging-Ground_ Military Resource Centre [Troops-Aircraft-Offensive Ground Hardware] ... as well as it being a "refueling-repair-and staging location" for U.S. forces... the 'Battle in the Pacific'... just may have had another outcome!.

With "Australia" no longer a thorn in the "back-side" of the 'Japanese'... they would then have options to either assault 'China' or go for the throat... and invade the U.S. ... depending on their capability and resources at that time.

[ubertatu]

Good night,

Is this DLC like a mirage??
I would love to play it; the panzer 2 air mechanics should be great for carrier combat. The naval combat that’s the big uncertainty.
Any news on a release date?

[adrazz]

is there a release date for this DLC?

[Patrick Ward]

is there a release date for this DLC?

Not yet. It IS being worked on but got hit by numerous delays that we've not been able to get around. If we'd of had any idea we wouldn't of announced it so soon.

Pat

[Retributarr]

another... "Nodder-Idea!":_ "UPDATED":

In the vast open spaces of the 'Pacific' where 'Fleets' are stationed... "Can"... consideration be made for the inclusion of 'Pickets'... these would be forward stationed 'Look-Outs or Sentries' [usually destroyers as well as Submarines ]... to assist in 'Pre-Warning' the 'Fleet'... of a possible or actual occurring enemy-incursion that is at that moment currently in progress.

I was recently watching a specific/new version of 'Midway'... and they mentioned and indicated that 'Pickets' were in regular use... and that the Japanese on launching Air-Attack-Assaults on Fleets would then prioritize knocking-out these stationed 'Pickets'... with either or both Air and Naval assets... in order to hide the approach of the main air assault formation.

[jeannot le lapin]

Will America have the atomic bomb at the end of the Pacific campaign ?

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[rafstaff]

Hi, any news about Panzer Corps Pacific? It's really look like a closed project

[VirgilInTheSKY]

Hi, any news about Panzer Corps Pacific? It's really look like a closed project

https://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=110025

[CaptainRope1]

I have a idea for the way for how the start of the campaign begins. Admiral King did not like that the Pacific war was sideline for the Europe front so our first mission we are try to save wake island where we get the order to return back to Peral Habor but King hear about our attack an order us to continue with our attack. Then he tell us the we are to help other allies in the pacific after we save wake. He also told us that we will not be resupply do to not having anymore units to use so what we have is what we get so he tells us to do what every we need to do to complete our mission. So we are to resuse the ground troops from wake as our ground troops for other mission and that well lead to helping Guam,Phillppines, Malaye, and Singpore as well resuse the Prince of Wales fleet to add to our fleet and we are work as a fire fleet mostly working to helkp our allies and help them fall back to Australia to regroup and rearm as King and Nemise wants to attack the Japanses sooner the waiting for more stuff i also think we does small ten turn missions to desrup supply and command of the japnese in the game as it will gives as something to do. Also i think Supply Ships should be our way of getting mony for the campaign as the Japanses almost never surrender during the war and these ships general 100 persiege per turn not alot but it helps being to op. this is all my opinion on how the campiagn should play out as its a big time frame we are playing in like three years and in feel it shound be alot longer then the normal dlc to beginning with.

[CaptainRope1]

I have a idea for the way for how the start of the campaign begins. Admiral King did not like that the Pacific war was sideline for the Europe front so our first mission we are try to save wake island where we get the order to return back to Peral Habor but King hear about our attack an order us to continue with our attack. Then he tell us the we are to help other allies in the pacific after we save wake. He also told us that we will not be resupply do to not having anymore units to use so what we have is what we get so he tells us to do what every we need to do to complete our mission. So we are to resuse the ground troops from wake as our ground troops for other mission and that well lead to helping Guam,Phillppines, Malaye, and Singpore as well resuse the Prince of Wales fleet to add to our fleet and we are work as a fire fleet mostly working to helkp our allies and help them fall back to Australia to regroup and rearm as King and Nemise wants to attack the Japanses sooner the waiting for more stuff i also think we does small ten turn missions to desrup supply and command of the japnese in the game as it will gives as something to do. Also i think Supply Ships should be our way of getting mony for the campaign as the Japanses almost never surrender during the war and these ships general 100 persiege per turn not alot but it helps being to op. this is all my opinion on how the campiagn should play out as its a big time frame we are playing in like three years and in feel it shound be alot longer then the normal dlc to beginning with.

I sorry for may bad typing and spelling. What I was trying to say to sum it up is that we have a series of missions where

we delay the Japanese military to save our allies in the Pacific. Where sum mission where we destroy or take command

post to mess up there plans or make them change them but we have only 10 turns to do it and we have limited forces

to do it with, but there is side objective to save allies on the map they are surrounded or near a mark space where you

can pick them up. Also, you are being chance by the enemy as well at the start of most maps there a seaplane looking

for you need to destroy it in one turn or bypass his vision range or the Japanese get heavy reinforcements to make the

job harder as will i also though that you could end up at the end of these mission where you help the Dolittle raid get

the target destination where they launch the bomber where they needed to be launch at then go from there. What do

yawl think.

[Retributarr]

Secret Weapon' to overwhelm Japanese Forces :
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world/ho ... skbarhover
How a remote lagoon and a 'secret weapon' allowed the US Navy to overwhelm Japanese forces during World War II

* In September 1944, the US Navy captured Ulithi Atoll and used it to support the Allied advance.
* The remote atoll hosted hundreds of ships for repair and rearmament and allowed troops to rest.
* Ulithi is taking on new relevance amid heightened tensions with China in the Western Pacific.

On September 16, 1944, as US Marines began a major assault on Peleliu, Adm. William Halsey, commander of the US Navy's 3rd Fleet, ordered III Amphibious Corps to seize Ulithi Atoll, located 400 miles to the northeast... roughly between Guam and Palau and some 1,300 miles from Tokyo.

Seven days later, soldiers from the 81st Infantry Division began landing on Ulithi's coral islets. The Japanese had abandoned the atoll a few months earlier, and the US landing was unopposed. Within two days the Americans had completed their initial unloading operations.

Hundreds of Allied ships would fill its lagoon and thousands of troops would occupy its islands. The remote coral outcropping would allow them to take the fight all the way to Japan's shores from Tokyo.

The world's largest naval facility

Sorlen Island and the north anchorage at Ulithi Atoll in late 1944. US Navy

Ulithi is made up of 40 small islands, only four of which are inhabited, in an oblong ring around a lagoon of some 200 square miles in size and depths of 80 feet to 100 feet.

The atoll was spotted by US Pacific Fleet commander Adm. Chester Nimitz while looking over a map of the area to find a good location for an advance base to support future operations against the Philippines and Japan.

US naval construction battalions, known as "Seabees", quickly proved them wrong, setting up Ulithi as an advance base almost immediately after landing in late September 1944.


USS Randolph alongside repair ship USS Jason at Ulithi Atoll on March 13, 1945. Randolph was hit by a Japanese kamikaze on March 11. US Navy

The ships and sailors of Service Squadron 10 allowed the Navy to continue fighting across the vast Pacific expanse. They were called Nimitz's "secret weapon."

Ulithi became an extremely important base of operations. Any ship could be repaired — or mended enough to get back to a bigger base — and rearmed there and troops could rest and recuperate. Aircraft carriers moored there could continue launching rescue, reconnaissance, and bombing operations.

The liberation of the Philippines and the invasions of Iwo Jima and Okinawa were all launched from Ulithi. It also hosted preparations for the planned invasion of Japan's home islands.

[Retributarr]

Pearl Harbor's Oil Tanks:
https://pearlharbor.org/pearl-harbors-t ... have-been/


At Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, a third strike might have meant “you’re out” for the U.S. Navy. We know of course that only two air strikes hit Pearl Harbor, but did you know that three were actually planned?.

The Japanese had planned to carry out "a third attack" – this time going for the repair facilities and the storage oil tanks – which held 4.5 million gallons of fuel.

***{Had the Japanese destroyed these Oil-Tanks which was supplying fuel for the U.S. Naval Fleet... this would have resulted in the U.S. Fleet requiring to redeploy to the United States west cost... probably... SanFrancisco. This would now mean that the Japanese would now more or less have had a free-hand in the asian pacific region without interference from the U.S. Navy!... for at least a Year!.}***
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So why did "Vice Admiral Chuichi Nagumo" decide to turn back rather than attack the repair facilities and the oil tanks?

By the time the Japanese air force was ready for the third strike, they had lost 29 planes total. Though they had well over 150 planes in the attack, Nagumo feared more planes would be hit. Rather than risk it, he told his men to turn around. The attack was over by 9:45 a.m.

It’s amazing to think how much more devastating the attack on Pearl Harbor could have been. If the Japanese had hit the oil tanks, we might have been remembering a much sadder story.
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This very-near occuring-possibility could also have an 'AHistorical' application as an alternative direction in this Game!.

[CaptainRope1]

Pearl Harbor's Oil Tanks:
https://pearlharbor.org/pearl-harbors-t ... have-been/


At Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, a third strike might have meant “you’re out” for the U.S. Navy. We know of course that only two air strikes hit Pearl Harbor, but did you know that three were actually planned?.

The Japanese had planned to carry out "a third attack" – this time going for the repair facilities and the storage oil tanks – which held 4.5 million gallons of fuel.

***{Had the Japanese destroyed these Oil-Tanks which was supplying fuel for the U.S. Naval Fleet... this would have resulted in the U.S. Fleet requiring to redeploy to the United States west cost... probably... SanFrancisco. This would now mean that the Japanese would now more or less have had a free-hand in the asian pacific region without interference from the U.S. Navy!... for at least a Year!.}***
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So why did "Vice Admiral Chuichi Nagumo" decide to turn back rather than attack the repair facilities and the oil tanks?

By the time the Japanese air force was ready for the third strike, they had lost 29 planes total. Though they had well over 150 planes in the attack, Nagumo feared more planes would be hit. Rather than risk it, he told his men to turn around. The attack was over by 9:45 a.m.

It’s amazing to think how much more devastating the attack on Pearl Harbor could have been. If the Japanese had hit the oil tanks, we might have been remembering a much sadder story.
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This very-near occuring-possibility could also have an 'AHistorical' application as an alternative direction in this Game!.

The reseon Nagumo did not lauch the third strike was that surpise was lose and more US aircraft would be in the air and all remaining anti-aircraft gun would of have been man at this point not to mensoun US Enterprise battle group was on the way to Peral harbor and it aircraft boost what aircraft that all ready in the air. It would most likely cost them more pilots and aircraft to complete the attack and would have put the Kitobuk out of action for a while as will and not worth the risk.

[Retributarr]

"Missed Opportunity"... due to planning short- sights:

The Japanese Carriers at the end of the 2nd-strike... were already on marginal levels of fuel supplies in the Carriers 'Fuel-Bunkers'... so they had to turn back or face the prospect of not returning safely back to home waters.

As well.., its one thing to punch a hole into a 'Fuel-Storage-Tank' and have the Oil spill out... but its not quite so easy to ignite the heavy fuel-oil... by simply initiating a spark or two... they would have needed... something like 'Fire-Bombs' made out of combustible ignition ingredients [Thermite???]... to instantly warm up the oil in order to initiate and incur spontaneous ignition.

The Japanese also failed to destroy the 'Dry-Docks' and repair facilities... a 'Fatal-Error'.

Perhaps the inclusion of at least 2-more Carriers to carry out the 'Fuel-Storage-Attack'... and a fuel-ship/s to re-fuel the Carries and as well having the Air Assault Group equipped with the required ignition ordinance packages... could have made the difference?.

Then the American Fleet would have been out of the picture in a 'Major-Way'... for the better part of a year or more!... i would say that it would have been worth the risk.

[VirgilInTheSKY]

Perhaps the inclusion of at least 2-more Carriers to carry out the 'Fuel-Storage-Attack'... and a fuel-ship/s to re-fuel the Carries and as well having the Air Assault Group equipped with the required ignition ordinance packages... could have made the difference?.

Then the American Fleet would have been out of the picture in a 'Major-Way'... for the better part of a year or more!... i would say that it would have been worth the risk.

They have deployed all their large fleet carriers for this attack. There is no other choices at all. And they even considered dropping Kaga during the planning phase becasue she was the slowest one among these 6 carriers and could mess up the whole raid plan. Akagi is battlecruiser-based conversion, Soryu, Hiryu, Shokaku and Zuikaku are all formally built fleet carriers from start; only Kaga is battleship-based and lacks speed. She was brought there exactly because there is not enough carriers to conduct the raid plan.
The other light carriers IJN had were either too small or too slow to carry out such a long range raid, and don't forget that the Japanese fleet has to launch attack to Southeast Asian territories in the same day, they can't spare more to this raid.

[Retributarr]

The other light carriers IJN had were either too small or too slow to carry out such a long range raid, and don't forget that the Japanese fleet has to launch attack to Southeast Asian territories in the same day, they can't spare more to this raid.

How disparagingly for the "Japanese"... that this was their crippling-positional-stance... "capability-capacity" to not be able to carry out "a full and complete death-blow-strike!".

This 'Hypothetical' would have made for a very-interesting "Game-Study!"... but!... alas!... trajic-reality unfortunately wins out again!.

[VirgilInTheSKY]

The other light carriers IJN had were either too small or too slow to carry out such a long range raid, and don't forget that the Japanese fleet has to launch attack to Southeast Asian territories in the same day, they can't spare more to this raid.

How disparagingly for the "Japanese"... that this was their crippling-positional-stance... "capability-capacity" to not be able to carry out "a full and complete death-blow-strike!".

This 'Hypothetical' would have made for a very-interesting "Game-Study!"... but!... alas!... trajic-reality unfortunately wins out again!.

If you know that for the whole Pacific War, lasted 3 and a half years, the IJN only managed to get 3 new fleet carriers, 2 of them already scaled down to speed up construction, into service, you would not call that "disparagingly".
Japan Empire just didn't have the industrial potential to go for an all-out war with the USA. They had already thrown everything they have got at that time into their own Blitzkrieg across western Pacific, hoping a morale collapse inside could force the USA into signing a peace treaty as the best result they could get. Admiral Yamamoto himself stated that Japan must win before the US warmachine can get up and running, or there will be no victory at all because they will simply get crushed, which they did in the end.