Tibetan Turmoil

[PeterThePainter]

Sorry Brian, a player may only issue one challenge (2 if Gelug school and successful) at a time for any province bordering any of their provinces

So I can't march through my Retainers Provinces !!!
Surely they would count as MY provinces as I am the Overlord ????

Interpreting the rule in this way, it is easy to envisage a situation, towards the end of the campaign, where the leading player is surrounded by retainers and so can no longer participate in battles, if he cannot march through retainers provinces.

[GDod]

Interpreting the rule in this way, it is easy to envisage a situation, towards the end of the campaign, where the leading player is surrounded by retainers and so can no longer participate in battles, if he cannot march through retainers provinces.

I disagree Peter. I think you have already won if you're surrounded by retainers. Moreover:-

• The number of provinces to win has been reduced to ten.

• If Brian took YOUR home province now, he would only have to gain one more to win!

• And as he can issue two challenges, he could win next turn by taking Qarqan or Doti!

• You are also forgetting retainers have the ability to attack, also adding provinces to their overlord's count!

So I can't march through my Retainers Provinces !!!
Surely they would count as MY provinces as I am the Overlord ????
Come on Gavin think about it
If I capture a province it becomes mine & I can march through it, If I capture a Tribe's Home Province and have Retainers I have no access to that land ???
Seems a bit wonky to me Gavin

No, Brian, you must respect your retainers right to administer his own lands, so long as he acknowledges your over-lordship. Ultimately, they count towards your total. (Conversely, think of it as the provinces of your loyal retainer can only supply one army marching through it)

The rule remains as written

[AlexDetrojan]

Flushed with his recent victory over the saucy Tibetan Lord's and looking for new skulls for drinking vessels, Donyo Dorje(Alex Detrojan)invades Sengge Choros'(KiwiWarlord)province of Keriya from Qarqan province. Password: Alex

[KiwiWarlord]

No, Brian, you must respect your retainers right to administer his own lands, so long as he acknowledges your over-lordship. Ultimately, they count towards your total. (Conversely, think of it as the provinces of your loyal retainer can only supply one army marching through it)
The rule remains as written

Point taken Gavin, your ruling is respected and shall be obeyed !

[KiwiWarlord]

Sengge Choros'(KiwiWarlord) counter attacks and advances a Mongol horde into Qarqan, Province of Donyo Dorje (Alex) from Keriya Province.
Alex we can use the game that is set up for your Home province if that is OK with you ?

[KiwiWarlord]

Sengge Choros'(KiwiWarlord) advances a Mongol horde into Doti, Home Province of Karma Tenkyong (GDod) from Tian Shan
PW sent by PM

[AlexDetrojan]

Sengge Choros'(KiwiWarlord) counter attacks and advances a Mongol horde into Qarqan, Province of Donyo Dorje (Alex) from Keriya Province.
Alex we can use the game that is set up for your Home province if that is OK with you ?

Ok Brian. Sounds good.

[PeterThePainter]

PeterThePainter wrote: ↑Sun Feb 26, 2023 7:37 am
Interpreting the rule in this way, it is easy to envisage a situation, towards the end of the campaign, where the leading player is surrounded by retainers and so can no longer participate in battles, if he cannot march through retainers provinces.
I disagree Peter. I think you have already won if you're surrounded by retainers. Moreover:-
The number of provinces to win has been reduced to ten.
If Brian took YOUR home province now, he would only have to gain one more to win!
And as he can issue two challenges, he could win next turn by taking Qarqan or Doti!
You are also forgetting retainers have the ability to attack, also adding provinces to their overlord's count!

Yes very true Gavin. Clearly the contemplative Tibet mindset is at work there. I see another province and I want to capture it, I don't count the ones captured!

[gort7078]

As a faithful vassal I gort7078 would like to issue a challenge to GDod/Gavin forces in Tsaparang Province in a battle of Tribal Lords!

[GDod]

Turn my back for a minute and Tibet explodes in turmoil...most excellent! I hope I've put all the arrows in the right places

As a faithful vassal I gort7078 would like to issue a challenge to GDod/Gavin forces in Tsaparang Province in a battle of Tribal Lords!

Sengge Choros'(KiwiWarlord) advances a Mongol horde into Doti, Home Province of Karma Tenkyong (GDod) from Tian Shan

Sengge Choros'(KiwiWarlord) counter attacks and advances a Mongol horde into Qarqan, Province of Donyo Dorje (Alex) from Keriya Province.

Flushed with his recent victory over the saucy Tibetan Lord's and looking for new skulls for drinking vessels, Donyo Dorje(Alex Detrojan)invades Sengge Choros'(KiwiWarlord)province of Keriya from Qarqan province.

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[PeterThePainter]

Erinchin Lobsang Tayiji has turned towards the setting sun and led his Mongol horde South West seeking out Mipham Palzang (lascar) in his province of Chitral. Come and do battle!

[GDod]

Erinchin Lobsang Tayiji has turned towards the setting sun and led his Mongol horde South West seeking out Mipham Palzang (lascar) in his province of Chitral. Come and do battle!

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[fybyyn]

Regrouped from the mountains, we decided to try to recover the land ceded to our enemies, PeterThepainter prepare for the fight in Samana from Karor!!

[GDod]

Regrouped from the mountains, we decided to try to recover the land ceded to our enemies, PeterThepainter prepare for the fight in Samana from Karor!!

Clearly, it would seem a Tibetan nationalist fervor is spreading throughout the land

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[PeterThePainter]

Regrouped from the mountains, we decided to try to recover the land ceded to our enemies, PeterThepainter prepare for the fight in Samana from Karor!!

Don't forget to launch the battle!

[fybyyn]

Yes, don't worry, the boys are saying goodbye to their girlfriends and relatives... as soon as I can I'll send you a private message with the password

[PeterThePainter]

Yes, don't worry, the boys are saying goodbye to their girlfriends and relatives... as soon as I can I'll send you a private message with the password

I don't allow any of that. Bad for morale it encourages the idea that they might not be coming back, treat it as another day in the office, capture another province, back home by tea time.

[GDod]

Yes, don't worry, the boys are saying goodbye to their girlfriends and relatives... as soon as I can I'll send you a private message with the password

We just take them with us as arrow fodder

[KiwiWarlord]

Sengge Choros'(KiwiWarlord) counter attacks and advances a Mongol horde into Qarqan, Province of Donyo Dorje (Alex) from Keriya Province.

Qarqan Province Captured by Sengge Choros (KiwiWarlord)
Western Mongols 14% Tibetan Rebels 42%

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[KiwiWarlord]

Senge Choros, Prince of Dzungar (KiwiWarlord) sends a Mongol Horde from QarQan Province to invade Rutog, the Home Province of Donyo Dorje (AlexDetrojan)
PW same as previous.