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Re: Ideas for Panzer Corps 2

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Laedaa wrote: Sun Dec 25, 2022 10:40 am Are there any plans to add procedurally generated campaigns (as in "Field of Glory II Medieval" and "Fantasy Generals 2")?
For example, how in scenarios we select a nation, a time period, an enemy, a type of terrain (mountains, plains, coasts), a predominant type of tasks (attack, defense, mixed), the number of scenarios. Scenarios are generated according to the given parameters and we go through one after the other as in a campaign (with a core transfer). At the end, you can save the core for use in another campaign (select the next time period, other opponents, etc.).
Now that would be a a nice idea a t the end of Panzer Corps 2 lifespan. After all the narrative DLC are released (AO West, Pacific Corps, any Allied Corps and any specific Afrika Korps or minor Axis campaigns) and the devs slowly move towards thinking about Panzer Corps 3, a procedurally generated campaign system would be a very interesting finish. It would have to be at the end of that cycle however, to not interfere with actual story DLC and also to benefit from the maximum possible unit and hero roster at that point. Thus, I give it a chance after 10+ years. :)
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ULTIMATE GAMING CONCLUSION:

When the basic WWII run-through has been completed... and then of course... depending on current level of 'Game-Engineering'... i would like to propose a 'Non-Directed' or planned Game based on the situation on the ground at that time in history.

Meaning that!... now to take into consideration what the views of each country was or were... and based on where they stood on these varieties of issues... to then use that information to have these nations to independently direct the various actions and decisions as to what their course of actions would be or could be.

Just as... an "Example"... a possible for-instance-circumstance... what if 'Neville Chamberlain' had not died while in office during his tenor as 'Prime Minister' during those early moments of Hitlers ambitions to conquer the world. When Germany invaded 'Poland'... Winston Churchill... would then not have succeded in taking over his position as "Prime-Minister".

Winston Churchill was determined to face off with the German determination to conquer Poland and Europe. Where-as!... if "Neville Chamberlain" was still at his office post at that time... he may have just made a completely different assessment of that situation at hand... and could have reasoned or determined that it was far too-risky to confront Hitlers armies that currently had the Military-Technological-Advantage in most of their weapons systems as compared to the British. And as well!... i think Hitler said to Neville Chamberlain... or maybe he didn't?... that taking back territories that were once part of Germany was all that he was going to do and to go no-further... so Chamberlain may have then reasoned... that... that effort by Hitler was not completely out-of-hand or unjustified... and could then have decided to let the matter go without confronting Hitler... any further.

Which could possibly now mean!... "no involvement of the U.S.A!". Also meaning that the Germans would now have more time to develop their 'Atomic-Bomb'... and then very-likely have been able to fullfill Hitlers dream of world-conquest.

This undetermined decision making based on the current-events at the moment for those countries would now make every Game a "New-Experience"... as nothing could be counted on to happen or to take place as it actually did in the historical timeline.
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Turn by turn... the Game would be an unknown or unanticipated surprise!... "outside events" beyond the theatre' of operations could also have unexpected consequences -advantages or disadvantages to the various combatant's. Events such as Japan getting involved in WWII would also have various positive or negative repercussions on the other world players.
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ULTIMATE GAMING CONCLUSION-II :
When "PzC3" is developed... with a 'whole host of improvements'... of which there are 'Many to include'... this one particular aspect which is next presented should be inclusive of that 're-do'... presenting the war in the actuality that its reality really was... thus making the Game less unrealistic and more historical!.

...Which is the "Main-Reason" why the 'Germans' did so-well in the low-countries and France... and not because of their 'Superiority!'.

https://www.amusingplanet.com/2020/05/p ... -nazi.html
Pervitin: The Wonder Drug That Fueled Nazi Germany
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Pervitin was Nazi Germany’s wonder drug, one that was designed to enable pilots, sailors and infantry troops deliver superhuman performance. Soldiers who took Pervitin stayed awake for days (three days at least!_Day & Night_24hrs/day) at a time, walked for miles without resting, and felt no pain or hunger. Today we know this drug as methamphetamine, or crystal meth.

Methamphetamine is an awfully potent drug. Even in small quantities, it stimulates the central nervous system releasing loads of dopamine that gives the drug user a prolonged euphoric high, increases alertness and concentration while removing fatigue.

Drugging and intoxicating thetroops would improve their self-confidence, concentration and the willingness to take risks, and at the same time reduce their sensitivity to pain, hunger and thirst, and the need for sleep. Ranke promoted methamphetamine as a miracle drug that would help Germany achieve victory over the Allies.

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Military-issued methamphetamine was available in the form of small pills under the brand name Pervitin, and was used by all branches of the combined Wehrmacht armed forces. The men called them “Stuka-Tablets” (Stuka-Tabletten) after the German dive bomber “Junkers Ju 87”, or Stuka, which had become a symbol of German air power. For others, it was “Herman-Göring-Pills” (Hermann-Göring-Pillen). Those on the frontlines liked to call them "tank chocolate" (Panzerschokolade), a reference to the superhuman strength these small white pills imparted to their selves.

Between April and July 1940, more than 35 million tablets of Pervitin and Isophan (a slightly modified version) were shipped to the German army and air force. The instructions on the package recommended a dose of one to two tablets “only as needed, to maintain sleeplessness.” But more often than not, soldiers under extreme stress took more than the prescribed dose.

Gerd Schmiickle of the 7th Panzer Division, recalled his observations on the effects of the stimulant after the fighting around Zhytomyr in Ukraine in November 1943:

I could not sleep. During the attack I had taken too much Pervitin. We had all been dependent on it for a long time. Everyone swallowed the stuff, more frequently and in greater doses. The pills seemed to remove the sense of agitation. I slid into a world of bright indifference. Danger lost its edge. One's own power seemed to increase. After the battle one hovered in a strange state of intoxication in which a deep need for sleep fought with a clear alertness.

Otto Ranke himself become addicted to the drug, and was reported to work for 50 hours at a stretch, on Pervitin, without feeling fatigued.

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Workers at the Temmler factory in Berli ... Luftwaffe.

Norman Ohler, author of Blitzed: Drugs in the Third Reich, believes that the German invasion of France was made possible by Pervitin. “No drugs, no invasion,” Ohler told The Guardian in an interview.

When Hitler heard about the plan to invade through Ardennes, he loved it. But the high command said: it’s not possible, at night we have to rest, and they [the allies] will retreat and we will be stuck in the mountains. But then the stimulant decree was released, and that enabled them to stay awake for three days and three nights. Rommel and all those tank commanders were high – and without the tanks, they certainly wouldn’t have won.

Now!... the "Negative-Side-Affects!".
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As the war progressed, German doctors became concerned about the detrimental effects of methamphetamine on soldier’s health and behavior. In Shooting Up: A Short History of Drugs and War, historian Łukasz Kamieńsk writes:

A day after the ingestion of the drug soldiers were generally in a much worse physical condition, some experienced health problems like excessive perspiration and circulatory disorders, and in a number of isolated cases death was reported. Also, the number of accidents among the Luftwaffe pilots increased noticeably. A soldier going to battle on Pervitin usually found himself unable to perform effectively for the next day or two. Suffering from a drug hangover and looking more like a zombie than a great warrior… At times, the effect of Pervitin was extremely aggressive behavior, which might, to some extent, help explain why Wehrmacht soldiers turned into ruthless murderers, often committing the cruelest massacres of civilians. It also happened that soldiers on speed resorted to violence against their superior officers, which constituted a serious threat to army morale.
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The military tried to restrict the largescale use of Pervitin, and classified the drug as a restricted substance on July 1, 1941, under the Opium Law. Still, ten million tablets were shipped to troops that same year.

Toward the end of the war, Germany began testing a new stimulant—a pill code-named D-IX. It contained five milligrams of cocaine, three milligrams of Pervitin and five milligrams of Eukodal (a morphine-based painkiller). Łukasz Kamieńsk says that D-IX gave men an “almost machine-like endurance,” and Hitler’s dream of turning Wehrmacht soldiers into near-robots looked almost real. But before the wonder drug could go into mass production, Germany lost the war.
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Replacement Capacities determined by 'Position Location' ... as well as possibly 'Weather Conditions":

It is not "Realistic" to be able to rapidly accrue the same "Quantity" of "Replacements" at all map locations. This means that... yes!... on 'Flat unobstructed ground'... regular replacement levels can be sustained at the "Maximum-Level"... and as a simplified choice... let's say for "Infantry"... choose an allotment of "6" replacements... for that location and for that turn.

***For "Rough-Terrain"... choose a replacement allowance of "3" per-turn!.
***For "Urban-Areas"... choose a replacement allowance of "4" per-turn!.
***For "Hill-Terrain"... choose a replacement allowance of "2" per-turn!.
*** For "Mountain-Terrain"... choose a replacement allowance of "1" per-turn!.
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I missed including...
***For "Swamps/Marshes"... choose a replacement allowance of "0" per-turn!.

By utilizing a concept like this... one would need to be more judicious or careful about unit location and placement!. Weather could also be used as another measure or instrument to adjust these parameters... perhaps by subtracting "1" replacement allowance from all of the previously stated "Unit-Replacement-Totals".
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QoL idea: An option on the main screen that lets you view a "unit library," where you can just check out all the available units in the game.
Basically a clone of the "purchase units" screen, but you don't have to start a random scenario just to see it, and you can tab through the unit pages of every nation. A nice additional feature would be adding the availability dates for each unit
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Captured Military Hardware:
I do not ever use... except only one time!... a "Russian KV-2 Tank". WHy!!!... because i'm not willing or ready to "Give-Up" what few precious "Inventory-Slots" that i have for some captured equipment that has only a very-few replacements for it!. What's the Sense of doing that???.

A solution that i would prefer is to instead of having only the choice to have "Auxiliary Units" as a selection choice in your Campaign... but also to have and incorporate another choice... such as to have a selection of an amount of "Slots" to be available and accessible to use for "Captured Military Equipment". Then!!!... i would be very-much more inclined to make use of that stock that is in my inventory.

This is what i think should happen!, did the Germans have to... for example have to give up... say a Battalion of Tiger-Tanks so that they could make room to utilize some lower-grade captured Russian-Equipment???... No!!!-Never!!!... that would not make any logical sense at all!... that would be completely pointless.
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Why do anti-air units not have awards for killing air units?
Fighters do not have visible awards for defensive fire, but actually they can reach the milestones, like a promotion when say supported 20x.
Bug/Feature?!
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DefiantXYX wrote: Mon Mar 06, 2023 10:15 am Why do anti-air units not have awards for killing air units?
Fighters do not have visible awards for defensive fire, but actually they can reach the milestones, like a promotion when say supported 20x.
Bug/Feature?!
Probably intended, since you already have AA Veteran trait that changes the way they work. If AA units got the bonus attack, it would probably also mess up calculations for Rapid Fire 2x ones, making them one-shot most targets as if AA Veteran was on.
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Never thought about that. But does AA Veteran not work like the lethal attack hero? And the award is just +1/+2/+3, not sure if it would mess everything up.
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DefiantXYX wrote: Sun Mar 12, 2023 2:22 pm Never thought about that. But does AA Veteran not work like the lethal attack hero? And the award is just +1/+2/+3, not sure if it would mess everything up.
Yes, AA Veteran gives all AA guns Lethal Attack indeed. Now, the thing is that Rapid Fire 2x guns, thanks to Low Altitude Attack, will fire at aircraft close defense which is... 0. So if you look at many of these, they will often have very low attack values. As such even +1 is a crazy bonus, and would lead to having almost the same level of firepower against anything other than strategic bombers without having to use AA Veteran or Lethal Attack, affecting game balance. After all, AA Veteran is mostly intended for runs with zero or close to zero planes and Lethal Attack heroes are randomly given. The chance of those attack bonuses rendering most of the enemy air-force harmless seems a bit too risky to introduce. Of course it's not a 100% given, so possibly its something that still could be tested out and maybe just have appropriately higher thresholds to pass for awards.
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Still, I would like to see this award :)
Especially when you dont pick traits or heroes AA guns are not that good. Most of the time the AI doenst even care if you protect your stuff with AA guns. In a long campaign the guns should get better with time and kills.
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While similar, AA Veteran is actually even stronger than a unit with a Lethal Hero. Veteran converts ALL suppression to kills, while Lethal does half. But if you put one of the Anti-Tank/AA Rapid Fire 2x heroes on an experienced "88," all enemy aircraft are usually one shot killed even when playing with David vs. Goliath. But I still like playing with it because it also saves my Lethal heroes for artillery and Strat bomber units.
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Yeah, there are already plenty ways to make AA guns overpowered or even game changing. Camouflage hero, rapid fire etc. and the AI can kill itself in 2-3 rounds.
My intention is to make AA guns slightly stronger in 9 of 10 situations, when players are not using traits or heroes. Or in early years of the war, when you dont have 3 heroes on each unit.
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Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-3_cannon
V-3 cannon

The V-3 (German: Vergeltungswaffe 3, ("Vengeance Weapon 3") was a German World War II large-caliber gun working on the multi-charge principle whereby secondary propellant charges are fired to add velocity to a projectile.

The Germans planned to use the weapon to bombard London from two large bunkers in the Pas-de-Calais region of northern France, but they were rendered unusable by Allied bombing raids before completion.

***British Reconnaissance managed to accidentally find a prviously unknown spurious "Rail-Road" line that was not known to exist. They then theorized that this had something to do with Hitlers effort to attack England. Thereafter they sent huge bomber fleets to bombard that specific region... but were unable to initially completely destroy it. Later On!... However!... The site was finally put out of commission on 6 July 1944, when bombers of RAF Bomber Command's 617 Squadron (the famous "Dambusters") attacked using 5,400-kilogram (11,900 lb) "Tallboy" deep-penetration bombs.

The German's used a multi-charge concept to further sustain and amplify the acceleration of the V-3 Cannon Rocket by the continues adding of more sustaining-amplifiying charges as the shell moves upward along the barrel, resulting in a much more constant and accelerated pressure as the shell moves along in the angled Gun-Barrel to its exit point... which is pointed and directed at the city of LONDON. Each Rocket-Gun-Battery could fire 300 Rockets per hour or the firing of V-3's at a rate of one every 6 seconds... to a distance of over 160km or over 100 miles. The Germans planned on installing 5 such Batteries. If this had worked out according to Hitler's plan... then LONDON would have been pounded into DUST!.

The eastern complex consisted of five drifts angled at 50 degrees reaching 105 metres (344 ft) below the hilltop. The five drifts exited the hilltop through a concrete slab 30 metres (98 ft) wide and 5.5 metres (18 ft) thick. Large steel plates protected the five openings and each drift had a special armoured door. Extensive tunnels and elevator shafts supported the guns and, if the site had become operational, about 1,000 troops from Artillerie Abteilung 705 and supporting units would have been deployed at Mimoyecques. Artillerie Abteilung 705 had been organised in January 1944 under Oberstleutnant Georg Borttscheller to operate the Wiese gun complex.
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Reconstructed plan of the site

***IMPORTANT ADDITIONAL INFORMATION:***
Each of the 5-Individual-Gun-Battery Platforms had a tier of 5-Missile Guns mounted in each separate Battery. With each of the 5-Guns in an individua Battery firing off a V-3 Rocket-Missile every 6-seconds. Therefore!... each separate Battery could launch or fire-off 300 Rocket-Missiles every MINUTE!. Now!... each-Battery firing off 300-Rocket Missiles every Minute X 5 Missile Battery-Installations equals... 1500 launched Missile-Rockets...from the launching platforms per Minute!. 1500 V-3 launched Missiles per each Battery.. per minute X 60 Minutes/Hour = 30,000 Rocket-Missiles per Hour!.
This would be a "Horrendous-Barrage" of incoming Missiles that just could not be countered in any possible way... it would mean "Total-Destruction".

Two similar guns were used to bombard Luxembourg from December 1944 to February 1945.

Development
In 1918, the French Army made plans for a very long range multi-chamber gun in response to the German Paris Gun. The Paris Gun was built by Friedrich Krupp AG and could bombard Paris from German lines over a distance of no less than 125 kilometres (78 mi). The French initiative did not reach the prototype stage, as it was discontinued when the retreat of the German armies and the armistice put an end to the bombardment. The plans for the multi-chamber gun were archived, as they had been envisioned to counter the German fire.

France collapsed in June 1940 at the beginning of World War II, and German troops acquired the plans of this long-range gun. In 1942, this patent attracted the attention of August Cönders,[notes 1] developer of the Röchling shell and chief engineer of the plants "Röchling Stahlwerk AG" in Wetzlar, Germany. Cönders thought that the gradual acceleration of the shell by a series of small charges spread over the length of the barrel might be the solution to the problem of designing very long range guns. The very strong explosive charge needed to project shells at a high speed was causing very rapid degradation of the gun tubes of conventional guns.
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Resetting "Sequential Turns" ---Movements in GamePlay!:

Recently... instead of experiencing Sequential Turns for Each Unit in my Force-Group during my 'Turn-Round'... where i was then able to see each individual action process of each of my Units throughout my turn. Something Strange Changed!... so the change is that now... everything happens at-once for both-sides???... not even for one side at a time?. What can i do to "Correct" this disfunction?.
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this board has sort of drifted off-topic

As we're reaching the end of AO development, there might be some time to explore using the platform of the game to do more non-historical content. That is to say, I like the mechanics of the game and all the units, and I think there are a lot of opportunities to employ them beyond strictly historical ww2 battles.

Some more single non-historical or ahistorical scenarios & campaigns (eg a D-Day map, but it's German units attacking and US & British units defending, or a "1946" campaign in an alt-world where the Russians invade Allied-controlled Germany) would be fun and interesting.

You could even do some competition for creators to try to create the most fun & imaginative scenarios, and then publish the top 5 or 10 as a free official dlc (this will date me, but Civ2 did something like this back in the day)
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Sequester Grundleplith, MD wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:17 pm That is to say, I like the mechanics of the game and all the units, and I think there are a lot of opportunities to employ them beyond strictly historical ww2 battles.
Imagine:

Axis Operations: Zombie Invasion :mrgreen:

I like your idea. One of my biggest hopes is a game with the unit depth and strategic depth of pc2 but in another setting. like sciene fiction without the bonds of histroy or historical correctness. with nice narrative campaigns, and so on.

so many problems of the actual game would be solved:
- the problem of splitting historic/ahistoric missions
- the problem of bringing in historic content and battles for a complete ahistoric core army
- and so on
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Bee1976 wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 9:16 pm
Sequester Grundleplith, MD wrote: Sat Apr 15, 2023 2:17 pm That is to say, I like the mechanics of the game and all the units, and I think there are a lot of opportunities to employ them beyond strictly historical ww2 battles.
Imagine:

Axis Operations: Zombie Invasion :mrgreen:

I like your idea. One of my biggest hopes is a game with the unit depth and strategic depth of pc2 but in another setting. like sciene fiction without the bonds of histroy or historical correctness. with nice narrative campaigns, and so on.

so many problems of the actual game would be solved:
- the problem of splitting historic/ahistoric missions
- the problem of bringing in historic content and battles for a complete ahistoric core army
- and so on
recreating battle isle in PC2 engine would be a nice idea.

sers,
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Battle isle :D

Seems your as old as i am hehe

but yes battle isle in pc2 engine would be awesome
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hi i have a idea for PC2 and PC3 is the unit mobocation where we take two unit apart and make a new unit. mostly why I say these is because for the SCW DLC I find the tod anti-tank gun we get the kind of useless mostly because its slow and cannot keep up with my tanks. I know why it's their cause most tod weapons are more powerful than vehicle base one sometimes, but I feel like this would be more fun like what you see in Hearts of Irons game with how you can change thing on vehicles in that game.
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