Successful Sealion Still Possible (3.1)?

[Metalogic]

Given that the Brits can cover pretty much all of the south east coast of England with units and easily rail units to near where axis transports are likely to land, how does one go about trying to execute a successful Sealion, assuming one has enough U-boats to cover the invasion fleet and/or block the channel? I assume you need to use both German and Italian units, to combine invasion limits, and need to go over the invasion limit, but how do you even land units in a not totally depleted condition if all landing hexes are covered? I assume massive TAC air support to damaged defending units first, but the Brits will also probably have a mech or two in reserve for counter attacks. Is 1941 any easier? Germany gets an SS unit and another para, but the Brits will probably be stronger too and get an extra 2 free GAR when you invade.

Does anyone have some screenshots of successful Sealion landings before and after? Thanks

[pk867]

A successful Sealion can be successful if the Allied player is careless. If the Allied player moves troops to far away lands and the navy is out escorting then a Sealion may succeed. An early fall of France helps too.

If the Allied player guards the home islands like He should then the Axis should fuhgetaboutit. You can always pretend to attack to tie up forces in England.

[mupawa]

The short answer is yes, it is quite possible. However, I would have to show you.

[flybird]

If the Axis to full sealions,can successful, must construction of a large number of Navy and air force.This means that the East can not be strengthened，Tactical success, strategic failure

[mupawa]

Wrong Flybird, all you ever need to build are subs, and those are pretty strategically useful. However you usually won't be able to launch Barbarossa till 42. On the other hand by the time you do Britain (or most of it) will be occupied, declining the western allies of a jump off for invasion and bombing Germany - particularly oil production. Tactical success, Strategic success. Play me and maybe I will show you (can't guarantee since you shouldn't know it is coming for sure).

[flybird]

Sealions success many times

[Metalogic]

Sealions success many times

Against capable human opponents?

I can see how it can be done if the UK isn't defended properly (and would be tempted to take advantage of such an opportunity) but usually they are.

[mupawa]

I haven't found that. There is a British solution to sealion but it is costly, and again I would show you, not tell you.

[flybird]

If the French war ended early，the opponent's defense is not good.have a chance.
Sealions success against strength general opponent

[duncanr]

you can't stop a determined Sealion if its done properly, but you can certainly turn it into a strategic failure

the cost of a successful Sealion is a very strong Russia

[mupawa]

that is somewhat true. I'm not sure if a determined sealion is unstoppable. I stopped one if 40 and then again in 41 by the same player who took abnormally light casualties in France. It was very costly for Britain (I stored a war trunk of PP in anticipation which thwarted him, but crippled Briatin otherwise), but it forced a 42 Barbarossa and I held on to Britain so could hit the ruhr and his oil production.

On the other hand, if Sealion succeeds, the northern soviet lend-lease is terminated, and depending on how early you cleared the islands, the British in Egypt (and everywhere else) are crippled by morale loss until the US get in the war. If you are prepared, you can take advantage of this and destroy a lot of Brits. Barbarossa ma be weak in 42, but you really just need to keep the Russians at bay and away from Ploesti til 45. It will take a while for the West to be a threat again.

[flybird]

duncanr wrote:
you can't stop a determined Sealion if its done properly, but you can certainly turn it into a strategic failure

the cost of a successful Sealion is a very strong Russia
It's true

[Morris]

you can't stop a determined Sealion if its done properly, but you can certainly turn it into a strategic failure

the cost of a successful Sealion is a very strong Russia

& A very strong Russia is vatal to Axis

[mupawa]

Wow, you defeatists should be shot. Russia is only strong cuz invasion is - usually - delayed till 42 unless Sealion does very well in 40. Once London and Liverpool are taken, it becomes a mopping up operation that doesn't require large forces - maybe 2-3 inf, 1 mech and leader and a couple of tacs (one can even be Italian or ROmanian) and enough ftrs to counter the RAF, plus a whack of GARs since partisans breed like rats in Britain. That means you have a lot of force that can partake in other operations in 41 - Greece, Vichy and the Middle east spring to mind. The delay can allow for a great strides in the middle east especially if the brits morale starts to fall, and all this before the Russians can respond.

And the Russia you face in 42 is a weaker Russia than normal, because the northern convoys are cancelled. You may even be in a position to take Persia soon after a DOW against Russia in 42, depriving them of another 15 pp per turn.

It's not likely you will get far in 42 in Russia, but that's not so bad. You might sieze Leningrad off the mark and strategic bomb Moscow from Finland. Kill as many Russians as you can then drop back out of the severe weather zone (except maybe in the Ukraine to keep the Russian STR at bay) and counter the Russians with a very healthy income from your vast conquered territories. In 43 try and destroy the Russian offensive ability (especially the Siberians). Then just hold them at bay till 45. The west will be so crippled (especially Britain if you hound them enough) that you need few resources to counter it.

you won't take Moscow, but so what?

[Cybvep]

You may even be in a position to take Persia soon after a DOW against Russia in 42, depriving them of another 15 pp per turn.

This has never happened in my games. Even if GB is taken, the Axis rarely ventures beyond Egypt. In many cases they even stick to Libya and Vichy France alone. It's very rare to see any action in Iraq, not to mention Persia.

[Metalogic]

Brits get supply 5 in Iraq/Persia which can make things hard for he Axis at supply 3

[mupawa]

It wont matter if the brits are suffering from a -30 to -40 morale penalty, and their income is mostly from convoys that can be interdicted. I have come close to wiping them from the map (except in Canada) in the past. I have chased the RN across the atlantic like an avenging angel. My dream is to see Montgomery in charge of Gibralter.

[Metalogic]

Mupawa - if you're doing that well, why let Monty have even Gibraltar?