AO44 coming soon

[Bee1976]

https://www.slitherine.com/news/panzer- ... oming-soon

20 Scenatios sounds great, but if both campaigns are completly serperated, this will be a "short" year for each path. But the amount of content is of course really high for a single DLC. So this is no real complaint, but i would have preffered a splitup into 2 DLCs.
If there are missions both pathes share, the amount of missions per path might be on a "normal" or "used" lvl like in the recent AO years.

Elite objectives sounds promising! Im interested to find out what this will be

I was hoping for a revamp of the hero UI or even more love for the complete hero section. reassigning heros every mission is hard work atm

[Tassadar]

20 scenarios is fair and while I was secretly hoping for a few more on each path, let's not forget that past DLC had training scenarios and some smaller scale missions with more specific objectives. In 1944 training scenarios are no longer really viable, so if the small missions also do not appear often and the focus is on large scale battles with varied objectives and interesting ideas, then I'm all for quality over quantity. Plus it seems the description strongly hints as this being the Eastern Front once more, so the possibility of a entirely separate Western path similar to Grand Campaign, is not closed if we ever delve into Afrika Corps territory or something similar.

[Bee1976]

20 scenarios is fair and while I was secretly hoping for a few more on each path,

Well thats what i wanted to say. So i completly agree. 20 Scenarios is great, but each path might feel a little short. Maybe there are shared missions. In former DLCs there where missions like plea or mercury that could have happen in a fictional or historic path.

to make long things short im really happy with ao44 coming soon. I would have bought 2 dlcs for 44 east aswell

[Sequester Grundleplith, MD]

https://www.slitherine.com/news/panzer- ... oming-soon

20 Scenatios sounds great, but if both campaigns are completly serperated, this will be a "short" year for each path. But the amount of content is of course really high for a single DLC. So this is no real complaint, but i would have preffered a splitup into 2 DLCs.
If there are missions both pathes share, the amount of missions per path might be on a "normal" or "used" lvl like in the recent AO years.

Elite objectives sounds promising! Im interested to find out what this will be

I was hoping for a revamp of the hero UI or even more love for the complete hero section. reassigning heros every mission is hard work atm

+1 to all this (and the follow-up about willingness to buy 2 AO44 dlcs)

[terminator]

There is no specific release date yet...

[DacianWarrio]

And the Slitherine Store page for AO 1944 is up :
https://www.slitherine.com/game/panzer- ... tions-1944

It says November 8th. Cannot wait!

And holy moly those screenshots...

[VirgilInTheSKY]

And the Slitherine Store page for AO 1944 is up :
https://www.slitherine.com/game/panzer- ... tions-1944

It says November 8th. Cannot wait!

And holy moly those screenshots...

The names, locations and dates...so much to tell from them.

[makoto14]

And the Slitherine Store page for AO 1944 is up :
https://www.slitherine.com/game/panzer- ... tions-1944

It says November 8th. Cannot wait!

And holy moly those screenshots...

The names, locations and dates...so much to tell from them.

The last two screenshots, i hope Rommel going after "high command" is in both trees. maybe he is successful in one of them......November cant come soon enough

[Bee1976]

It says November 8th. Cannot wait!

I already started counting the days (40)

hm 40 days, what a great opportunity to start a new playthrough to prepare the 3rd historical or 6th ahistorical core for 44


btw. @kerensky we need early access

[DefiantXYX]

Good news, and very interesting. So it is not only AO44 East, at least on the historical part you seem to also play D-Day and stuff like that on the western front.

20 scenarios seems a bit low, but we all know the whole game does not really work when you have to defend.
The AI is too stupid to play on attack mode and if you would really lose a scenario and units of your core the game would be over. So its really hard to get told that you are losing, while winning every scenario and defeating the enemy like crazy.
Very curious to find out how its made this time.

It also seems to get politically, we might play a valkyrie-szenario and kill the really bad guys?

[Bee1976]

but we all know the whole game does not really work when you have to defend.
The AI is too stupid to play on attack mode and if you would really lose a scenario and units of your core the game would be over. So its really hard to get told that you are losing, while winning every scenario and defeating the enemy like crazy.
Very curious to find out how its made this time.

I agree on the playstyle of the AI (even if the AI is in defence mode there is some space for improvements) and with improvements of the AI behavior, the game might reach a complete new level. Maybe we will see this in the future.

But it is possible to create succesful scenarios even if the main army is on retreat. The wehrmacht was forced to a lot of retreating battles during 1944, and a lot of them were succesful. ok army grp centre wouldnt agree on that.
Ingame there is a lot of room for missions that reflect the permanent retreat of the german army in general but show a succesful german operation.
stuff like:
- break the encirclement on the weakest point and fight your way out of the pocket
- evacuate xyz units before the russian forces destroy them
- distract the russian army by a little counteroffensive on xyz
- hold the line until the main body of the armies (or army) has retreated
- and so on

as mentioned the wehrmacht performaed a lot of tiny, small and medium operations in 44 while retreating all the time, and you as a player can take part in those operations without leaving history. Bagration was a real disaster, and of course all those operations werent enough to stop the russian army.
but the german troops werent retreating in full speed and full panic mode all the time while being beaten like a pinata

[terminator]

Elite objectives sounds promising! Im interested to find out what this will be

By looking carefully at the screenshots in the store page, you can get an idea of what an "Elite objective" is

[wecker]

Copy from my post from the announcements thread - it fits better here I think:

Ah Oh Uh - the new DLC AO44 is coming soon...

Did you see the pictures and the scenario list?

Case Orange
Operation Corridor
Operation Tusk
Operation Stormbird
Riga1944
Herrlingen
Lvov 1944
Operation Panzerschreck
Kolozsvar
Battle of Ploesti
Shanderovka
Lysyanka
Operation Margarethe
Targu Frumos
Cernauti
Minsk Offensive
Lublin
Warsaw Rising
Operation Panzerfaust
Battle of Carei

From a screenshot it seems that the ahistorical path leads us to Persia between Tabriz and the Caspian Sea.

And the historical leads us to: Minsk, Romania/Hungary and the Warsaw Uprising. So far so good on the Eastern Front. But Caen and Normandy? No good.
That means we are switching our units to the Western Front. So we missed completely the allied landings in Italy;-(

Interesting that there is mention of Rommel in the screenshots of Herrlingen. It seems that his forced suicide after Stauffenbergs assassination attempt on Adolf H. is historically correct depicted.

What will this mean for our Oberst Wagner?

And everything in 20 Scenarios - seems now a little bit shallow in my opinion.

I`ll buy it anyway - but I would have liked 2 DLCs better. One historical and one ahistorical

[DefiantXYX]

But it is possible to create succesful scenarios even if the main army is on retreat. The wehrmacht was forced to a lot of retreating battles during 1944, and a lot of them were succesful. ok army grp centre wouldnt agree on that.
Ingame there is a lot of room for missions that reflect the permanent retreat of the german army in general but show a succesful german operation.
stuff like:
- break the encirclement on the weakest point and fight your way out of the pocket
- evacuate xyz units before the russian forces destroy them
- distract the russian army by a little counteroffensive on xyz
- hold the line until the main body of the armies (or army) has retreated
- and so on

We already had some of these scenarios in 1943 EAST. Basically its always the same, you have some allied units/armies that got wiped out easily in some turns. Then its your turn, you just walk in, kill every russian and even start to take everything back. Like I mentioned many times, if you played very well so far your core will simply be too strong. So every scenario is like a walk in a park, there will be no scenario when you really feel like you have lost. The only option the game got is reducing your core slots, when wagner tells you you are running out of supplies one more time.
Like I said, for defense scenearios there are completly new mechanics needed. Like corridors on the map, after 5 turns you need to fall back or you wont be supplied. After 10 turns again...

And the historical leads us to: Minsk, Romania/Hungary and the Warsaw Uprising. So far so good on the Eastern Front. But Caen and Normandy? No good.
That means we are switching our units to the Western Front. So we missed completely the allied landings in Italy;-(

The landing in Italy belongs to 1943. Maybe we will get this with the 1942/1943 WEST DLCs.

[Tassadar]

hm 40 days, what a great opportunity to start a new playthrough to prepare the 3rd historical or 6th ahistorical core for 44

Yea, I'm tempted, but my 3rd historical core idea is just starting to get fleshed out, so I don't think I'll begin anything. Plus, could use a new trait or two for that.

[Bee1976]

Im unsure aswell. My actual playthrough is in 42 atm, "Operation Blut" and its a real struggle so far.
Generalissimus, Houserule: no mass Encirclements, No mass captures
SCW no challenges
AO39 David vs Goliath
AO40 David vs Goliath + Heroic Showdown
AO41 DvG, HS and Uphill Battle
AO42 DvG, HS, UB and infatry orientation (means at least 4 infantry units in every mission thats not air only)

I had to use some real strange tactics in 41 already like a "hero flavoured sprinter azul infatry in kiew to meet the army grp before thesy are wiped out hehe)

but right now, im unsure if im able to beat OP Blut. Im on my 2nd attempt on that mission, prestige starving, my starting army is in no good shape and the enemy terminated me without any humor in m first attempt. If i can win this mission i think i will need that 40 days for 43 with that core.
but right now im pretty sure i have to call it, i lost way too many experienced units so far and got a lot of real bad heros this time. so i will do my best but if i fail 2 more attempts i will start something fresh (with less challenges, because this is no fun atm) in SCW to reach the end of the historical path in 43

[Agrastas]

1941E too has total of 20 scenarios... Awesome news tho.

[Ryba666]

From screenshots it loks like we have some longer scenarious with 18-20x turn so it looks promising. Herrlingen looks like training mission with Rommel plot. Western front missions (Operation Stormbird) with only AIR units like in AO 1943. Operation Tusk looks like some new mechanics with create a trap and auto destroy enemey units? HELL YEA

P.S
Also from screenshots looks like Soviet will spam t-34-85 tanks, not good form my Verdeja 2 tank and Neubaufahrzeug XD. But my 15 STR Tiger 1 units will have some work to do

[Wagner0445]

But Caen and Normandy? No good.

What do you mean? I don't see Normandy or Caen on that list. And the screenshots look like they are part of the ahistorical campaign because the corresponding operation name doesn't exist in our history.

[Wagner0445]

Good news, and very interesting. So it is not only AO44 East, at least on the historical part you seem to also play D-Day and stuff like that on the western front.

It seems like the Western stuff is on the ahistoric path. Which makes sense. Being successful in Russia while the western front completely collapses is unrealistic.

Spoilers!!!!!:

And if you look at the Goals for operation Stormbird you will see that the goal is to retake Gold Beach, Juno Beach, and Sword Beach from the British second army. This means we have the goal to stop the whole British part in operation Neptune(D-Day) resulting in more than half of the allied strength being destroyed or pushed back. Most likely making D-Day fail altogether. Also loosing 4 Battleships is the whole British contribution to D-Day. Half of all battleships used during the invasion.