Pill wrote: ↑Mon Oct 26, 2020 3:43 am
kondi754 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 29, 2020 9:29 am
Re: concentration of armored vehicles in limited area at the same time
So then
the largest tank battle would be Prokhorovka in result, because never before such a large number of tanks has been concentrated in such a small area, approx. 1200-1500 armored vehicles from both sides depending on the sources
Prokhorovka was discredited several times over after the Soviet Union collapsed in 1989.
Historians gained access to declassified documentation listing armored vehicles available/unavailable for operation during Kursk.
Several calculations were made, taking into account margins of error & conflicting or incomplete reports. Resulting in Prokhorovka numbers being revised from ~3000 down to ~650 at most.
Check Gantz et al.
Also re: Kursk.
The Soviets had no doubt a pincer was coming at Kursk due to the massive bulge in the line. Quite simply it was the most obvious place to attack. They just didn't know when.
British confirmed it later..
The smallest number of tanks I have encountered is over 850 vehicles. This was done by the German journalist Kellerhoff from 'Die Welt' in 2019 on the basis of German aerial recon photos and US archives after consulting with many specialists. They enumerated 672 Soviet tanks, the photos show T-34, T-70 and Churchill tanks (so there were no 'KV-1 family' tanks near Prokhorovka

). According to this study, there were also 186 German tanks.
Even more interesting is the expertise on the losses of both sides... Apparently, it results from photos and other sources that 235 Soviet tanks versus only 5 Waffen SS tanks were destroyed
BTW In response to the publication, Russian Culture Minister accused Kellerhoff of falsifying history.
It seems to me that when I wrote about 1,200-1,500 armored vehicles at Prokhorovka, I mean not only tanks, but also self-propelled artillery, self-propelled infantry and assault guns and tank destroyers from both sides
