Little Wars IV - Final Results

[markwatson360]

Medieval

markwatson360(Indian Muslim 1470) defeats Indibil (Catalan Company 1302 +Byzantine Central allies)

(Away game) score 47 : 7

Cheers, Mark.

[angusosborne]

Ancients

angusosborne (Samnites) defeats rockmanbob123 (Fatimids) 42-0

The Samnites and I don't always win, but when we do, we win big.

[Karvon]

Ancients

Karvon - Huns (Western) 375 AD w German Horse Tribe allies defeated heidipie - Egypt 1200 BC 45 -19.

We met the Egyptians on a broad plain crossed by a stream with a large rough patch on the far side of the stream towards the right of the center.

We deployed in our tradition 3 main commands of horse archers on the wings and lancers in the center with a small light command further out on each flank. Our initial plan was to probe widely on each flank with our horse archers and follow up with our lancers on the more open left.

The Egyptians deployed with a mostly infantry force; a few spears screening a larger number of massed bows supported by a few light foot and a lone chariot.

The Egyptians moved up into the rough patch with part of the infantry and wheeled to their right to aggressively repel my flanking move to their left.

We swung well wide of the rough patch with our right commands and rode around behind them, dealing with a light foot or two and chasing off the chariot. On our left, we launched a few charges into exposed bow and managed to disrupt a couple, but got serveral horse badly shredded by bow fire in the process and had to fall back to rally.

The Eqyptians pressed on after this retreating command with most of their light foot and a few foot, hoping to finish them off with fire, but were low on ammo at this point, so failed to damage them further and were drawn away from the main body.

Their infantry in the rough patch turned to face our troops to their rear and marched out to face us, which proved to be a mistake. Our horse archers and lancers converged and disrupted these by a combination of fire and flanking. Once weakened, sitting in the open, they were pretty easy meat for the lancers to finish them off and a chain rout led to to collapse of the Egyptians.

[Karvon]

Ancients

Karvon - Huns (Western) 375 AD w German Horse Tribe allies defeated Blagrot - Byzantine 551-578 AD 57 - 21.

A steep hill in our right center looked down on woods blocking off the whole right corner. Scattered woods obstructed our left corner a bit as well. A gentle plateau ran from the center off to the left.

We hid our lancers and one horse archer division behind the woods on our left, and the other horse archer division behind the steep hill on the right.

The Byzantines brought an all-horse force of mixed cavalry deployed in the center.

We initially launched our two light horse commands wide on each wing to threaten their flanks, and as they turned to face, we sortied out with our other commands. We got the jump on them in the shooting and, with our superior troops, got some early disruptions.

They got a bit more strung out chasing our lights, and we were able to concentrate and flank them faster than they could do the same to us. Our superior morale let us hold on in a few key battles, and we were able to finally get a chain rout going and the Byzantines fled the field.

[Holien]

Ancients

Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats Indibill - Roman 425-498 AD with Hunnic (W) 455-559 AD allies 7% to 40%

An odd map with the right flank a swathe of rough hill / plateau and some high peaks on the Roman mid rear half. The Carthage force left their Elephants and Cavalry to recover from all the arrows of the Persians and came with a pure infantry force. This used the right flank to advance to contact. The Romans had no light skirmishers and this proved their undoing as they had to respond to the Carthage lights and were forced to leave the high ground.

The Roman Cavalry force tried to hit the flank of the Carthage force but the terrain was not ideal and the spears of the Carthage force managed to push them back. To add insult to injury a key popular Roman General was killed in battle and the units around him felt his loss. Not a great day for the Romans.

Thanks for the quick turns.

[Indibil]

ANCIENTS

Indibil - Roman 425-498 AD with Hunnic (W) 455-559 AD allies defeated Ulysisgrunt- Antigonid.... 42 -11 %
Indibil - Roman 425-498 AD with Hunnic (W) 455-559 AD allies defeated rockmanbob123 - Fatimid Egyptian... 46 -10 %

Thanks for the games

[Karvon]

Here are the current standings. Sorting is done based on Points Scored, then Wins, Losses, Points Allowed. If you note any mistakes, please let me know.

Regards,

Karvon

[Najanaja]

I've played 4. Won 2, lost 2.

[Karvon]

I've played 4. Won 2, lost 2.

Noted and updated.

Thanks

Karvon

[Holien]

Here are the results of the games I have played so far - Won 4 Lost 1

Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats rockmanbob123 - fatimid Egyptian 978-1073 5% to 41% PS = 6
Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats angusosborne - Samnites with Gauls 36% to 65% PS = 7
Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats SawyerK - Thracian Roman Client 50 BC to 46 AD army with Roman ally 24% to 52% PS = 6
Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats Indibill - Roman 425-498 AD with Hunnic (W) 455-559 AD allies 7% to 40% PS = 6

Principesromanes (Achaemenid Persians 545-481 BC) defeats Holien (Carthaginian 262-236 BC) 57-19 PS = 6

Scoring System?

4 pts for breaking the enemy army.
+3 pts if inflicting 60%+,
+2 pts if inflicting 40-59%,
+1 pt if inflicting 20-39%.

So not sure how PA 8 is calculated?

PS = 25

[heidipie]

victories to date, i did lose also but assume victor does the report

sawyerk defeated, thrace, 55 to 29

indibil romans defeated 69 to 53

markwatson360 indian defeated 50 to 25

indibil catalalan defeated 53 to 0

[Karvon]

Here are the results of the games I have played so far - Won 4 Lost 1

Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats rockmanbob123 - fatimid Egyptian 978-1073 5% to 41% PS = 6 PA=0
Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats angusosborne - Samnites with Gauls 36% to 65% PS = 7 PA=1
Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats SawyerK - Thracian Roman Client 50 BC to 46 AD army with Roman ally 24% to 52% PS = 6 PA=1
Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats Indibill - Roman 425-498 AD with Hunnic (W) 455-559 AD allies 7% to 40% PS = 6 PA=0

Principesromanes (Achaemenid Persians 545-481 BC) defeats Holien (Carthaginian 262-236 BC) 57-19 PS = 6 PA=6

Scoring System?

4 pts for breaking the enemy army.
+3 pts if inflicting 60%+,
+2 pts if inflicting 40-59%,
+1 pt if inflicting 20-39%.

So not sure how PA 8 is calculated?

PS = 25

As noted above. Both sides score pts for losses inflicted; so your opponents scored 1 pt in 2 games you won and 6 in the one game you lost.

Regards,

Karvon

[Karvon]

victories to date, i did lose also but assume victor does the report

sawyerk defeated, thrace, 55 to 29

indibil romans defeated 69 to 53

markwatson360 indian defeated 50 to 25

indibil catalalan defeated 53 to 0

Not all of these games had been individually posted, so have not been included so far. Please post individual results ASAP following conclusion of matches to ensure they are included in the weekly updates. Also, sometimes folks simply forget the scoring results if they don't post promptly.

Thanks

Karvon

[Karvon]

Ancients

Karvon - Huns (Western) 376 AD w German Horse Tribe allies defeated Indibil - Roman 425-498 AD with Hunnic (W) 455-559 AD allies 45-9.

A series of gentle hills ran across the Roman lines and another gentle ridge ran from about the center to our corner along the right edge. Woods and some rough were scattered along the hills on the right.

We deployed in our traditional formation of horse archers on each wing and lancers in the center. Light horse extended on each flank.

The Romans deployed a couple of warbands and a Palantine Auxiliary along the hills on their left with a bit of horse, a mix of lancers and horse archers supporting on both flanks and in reserve.

We started forward, drawing them towards us along the front, and then rapidly shifted our center and right to the left and overloaded the horse he had covering his right. His infantry slowly wheeled right and pursued, but was unable to arrive before we surrounded, shot up and saw off nearly all his mounted troops.

[angusosborne]

Ancients

angusosborne (Samnites) defeats keksoid (Thessalian) 44-8

Basically hoplites v impact foot, which I think favoured the Samnites, although I promptly lost one of the matchups early. Nevertheless the general punched a hole in the line and the hoplites crumbled. We had a rally in the last turn to make the score look better than it deserved. Thanks for a good game and chat.

[angusosborne]

One of my results is missing I think (and I’m glad that it’s not only me who does this)

Won v Inidbil 56-0
Won v Najanaja 50-0
Lost v Holien 36-65
Won v heidipie 44-0
Lost v Karvon 46-63
Won v ulysisgrunt 42-16
Won v SawyerK 42-12
Won v rockmanbob123 42-0
Won v keksoid 44-8

[heidipie]

karvon sorry do not understand what you men, that my results not "individually posted ?

[Karvon]

karvon sorry do not understand what you men, that my results not "individually posted ?

You did not post the results of the games you won, as they concluded, so the only two results I had for you were your two losses at the time I released the first standings.

Once a game is completed, the winner is supposed to post the results in this thread. This helps me keep abreast of the progress, or lack there of, of individual players. In addition, I use that posting to roughly track time elapsed between posting of challenge and results. If folk don't post in a timely manner, then those stat's get a bit skewed, not that it's anything too critical.

I usually check in once or twice a day and update my spreadsheet with results, though some days I may get busy and not have time to do so. I occasionally miss a post. After the first few weeks, I try to post an updated standings table about once a week or so.

Regards,

Karvon

[principesromanes]

Ancients

PrincipesRomanes (Achaemenid Persians 545-481 BC) defeats Nanjanaja (Thracian (Triballi) 350 BC – 46 AD) 51-9

The Thracians and Persians met in a narrow mountain valley - a large mountain range completely covering one flank but just enough room for the light horse and light foot to attempt to flank around the mountain on the other flank.

The Persian Sapabara considered contesting a smaller rise (height 200) in the middle of the map, but in the end pulled back to a larger hill that would allow better defensive fire. The Thracians had no intention of charging straight up a steep hill, so shifted to focus on the portion of the Persian army waiting on the plain, using the smaller hill abandoned by the Persians as an effective sightline blocker and hence missile shield. The geography - along with some more Thracians infantry that decided it was more productive to join the main fight than screen the Persian cavalry that had made it into the rear - made for a very chaotic line of contact. Unfortunately for the Thracians, some of the Persian infantry gave ground on contact, exposing some of the Thracian flanks to more Sapabara foot charging off the hill to rescue their comrades on the plain. Ultimately, it was probably the Sapabara's positioning to exploit flank opportunities rather than the direct results of missile fire that decided the outcome of the battle.

Thanks for a good game.

[Holien]

Here are the results of the games I have played so far - Won 4 Lost 1

Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats rockmanbob123 - fatimid Egyptian 978-1073 5% to 41% PS = 6 PA=0
Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats angusosborne - Samnites with Gauls 36% to 65% PS = 7 PA=1
Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats SawyerK - Thracian Roman Client 50 BC to 46 AD army with Roman ally 24% to 52% PS = 6 PA=1
Holien - Carthaginian 262-236 BC defeats Indibill - Roman 425-498 AD with Hunnic (W) 455-559 AD allies 7% to 40% PS = 6 PA=0

Principesromanes (Achaemenid Persians 545-481 BC) defeats Holien (Carthaginian 262-236 BC) 57-19 PS = 6 PA=6

Scoring System?

4 pts for breaking the enemy army.
+3 pts if inflicting 60%+,
+2 pts if inflicting 40-59%,
+1 pt if inflicting 20-39%.

So not sure how PA 8 is calculated?

PS = 25

As noted above. Both sides score pts for losses inflicted; so your opponents scored 1 pt in 2 games you won and 6 in the one game you lost.

Regards,

Karvon

Ok thanks for the explanation and that was not clear on the section explaining scoring for the tourney.

I was not aware of opponents scoring points as well and it is not clear in any of the rules, so good to know.

FYI -

The only bit I found was the following: -

Scoring will place a heavy emphasis on winning and inflicting losses.
+4 pts for breaking the enemy army.
+3 pts if inflicting 60%+,
+2 pts if inflicting 40-59%,
+1 pt if inflicting 20-39%.

Of course you then say..

In regards to other details, we will follow the rules and guidelines posted for TDC play.

Which I did not go off and read so maybe it is covered in there?

A small suggestion is to have the scoring mechanic posted at the top of the Results Page so folk can see it at the start of the right thread. As trying to find the other threads is not easy and it seems the right place for it.

I guess Points Against is a way to break any unlikely matched PS between players?