If the German’s had won at the Bulge,,,,,,

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PeteMitchell
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Re: If the German’s had won at the Bulge,,,,,,

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faos333 wrote: Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:51 am Having read all the above historical / hypothetical discussion, which is really very interesting, I would like to my personal thoughts on this.

Strategically, Bulge proved a failure, only to lose precious resources for Germany.
Lets say it was a success and magically the German advance occupied Antwerp.
This, would result in frictions between the Allies and delays.
The end result of this, would be delaying the allies final push to Germany.
However, this could not end the war in west, with a separate peace treaty and the allies would continue the war.

The historical irony, being that a larger part or worse the whole of Germany would be occupied by the Soviet army!

The other question as put by our discussion, is what IF these Bulge forces were directed towards the East?
My guess is that they would much more helpful, delaying the Soviets, and maybe less territories lost to them.

As a conclusion, Bulge is a battle, that we like to play in strategic games such as Panzercorps, because it is by nature a huge and interesting TACTICAL challenge.
I agree... More delay in the end of the war (in Europe) could/would have led to the atomic bomb being used in Europe/on Germany...

The Manhatten Project was almost ready/done. The Trinity test was on 16 July 1945:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manhattan_Project
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity_(nuclear_test)
Comprehensive Battlefield Europe AAR:
http://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=145&t=86481
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Re: If the German’s had won at the Bulge,,,,,,

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The offensive had been taken in the West since there's was the Sea behind the Allies: an offensive in the East could not result in an entrapment.

It was a try to delay the advance since it was a matter of time that Germany had "secret weapons". The Allied and Soviets were in a desperate hurry.
And that's why they didn't accept peace but only complete surrender.
Kirby
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Re: If the German’s had won at the Bulge,,,,,,

Post by Kirby »

The whole thing was decided when Nazis decided to initiate Barbarossa. Everything after that was just a long way to hell.
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