Empires of the Dragon

[philqw78]

MF

[MarkSieber]

Thanks, Phil--I'll be able to stretch the available figures... Any halberds distinct from spears?

[philqw78]

The MF classification is the same for most eastern armies. Weapon classification I am not sure on (Nik or Hammy, possibly GB and RBS), if they carried them use them but I could not say if the halberd will be counted as a Hvy Weapon or Spear.

[rbodleyscott]

If it's possible to say at this time, what troop type/basing will Han spearmen have--I'd love to be ready for the September release

MF with Heavy Weapon

(Can be in half and half BGs with MF Crossbow in the early Han period)

[expendablecinc]

Are the Central Asian City States distinctive? Ive got some arab Ghulam figs for abotu half an army and a few CACS cavalry from outpost and wondering which way to go? Or are they pretty much along the lines of the other Timurid/Ghaznavid/Seljuk lists with drilled superior Cav w Bow & SW accompanied by a swag of Bow armed LH.

Any other distinctive oddball combinations not seen much to date (in the same way as heavy weapon MF armed with Bow* in the americas book)

Anthony

[MarkSieber]

Are Han mounted archers light horse?

[rbodleyscott]

Are the Central Asian City States distinctive? Ive got some arab Ghulam figs for abotu half an army and a few CACS cavalry from outpost and wondering which way to go? Or are they pretty much along the lines of the other Timurid/Ghaznavid/Seljuk lists with drilled superior Cav w Bow & SW accompanied by a swag of Bow armed LH.

The heavy cavalry can either be all Lancers, Swordsmen or all Bow, Swordsmen

Any other distinctive oddball combinations not seen much to date (in the same way as heavy weapon MF armed with Bow* in the americas book)

Yes. In the Japanese lists - there are threads on those somewhere here.

[rbodleyscott]

Are Han mounted archers light horse?

Yes.

Mounted crossbowmen are cavalry.

[MarkSieber]

Now that my prying, repairing and gluing of spearmen and halberdiers is well underway, I have one more question: are there any Han two-handed swordsmen, and if so are they also MF?

This is the first army I painted, vintage 1982 Mikes Models & Asgard--more of a fantasy Han army these days. Which makes me wonder, once the Terra Cotta army came to light, did all the armor with rings sewn on disappear, or was it mythical to begin with?

[rbodleyscott]

Now that my prying, repairing and gluing of spearmen and halberdiers is well underway, I have one more question: are there any Han two-handed swordsmen, and if so are they also MF?

Well there are MF swordsmen, graded as...swordsmen, but I guess those are the ones depicted with single-handed sword and parrying weapon. Two-handed swordsmen would be HW, which would grade them the same as the normal "halberdiers" with ji. I am not sure how good the evidence is for two-handed swordsmen in this period - but there are plenty in the later Chinese lists.

[tadamson]

Now that my prying, repairing and gluing of spearmen and halberdiers is well underway, I have one more question: are there any Han two-handed swordsmen, and if so are they also MF?

This is the first army I painted, vintage 1982 Mikes Models & Asgard--more of a fantasy Han army these days. Which makes me wonder, once the Terra Cotta army came to light, did all the armor with rings sewn on disappear, or was it mythical to begin with?

It was a 'unique' interpretation of what evidence was available.

[MarkSieber]

It was a 'unique' interpretation of what evidence was available.

Are there sources disputing it, or explaining what that evidence actually represented?

[tadamson]

It was a 'unique' interpretation of what evidence was available.

Are there sources disputing it, or explaining what that evidence actually represented?

The frescos and brick relief's in Han tombs tend to show warriors in dress robes and hats rather than in armour and helmet. Geer knew from his reading that they wore armour and appears to have assumed that the robes were armoured. The rings apparently are an interpretation of the decorations on the silk robes.

Han armour is illustrated in most books covering the army. Early Han were virtually identical to late chin (terracotta warriors). Later they used modified versions of lamella armour both leather and iron.

A quick Google on Han Chinese armour will give you loads of leads eg http://forums.swordforum.com/showthread.php?t=77511

[Probert]

I'm excited. When I paint a unit from this book, I'll be hungry again in only two hours.

[Legionbuilder]

Okay - I have just learned some stuff from reading this thread and I am excited about this book coming out SOON
I hope one of the shops gets one soon here in Chicago

[karakhanid]

If somebody is looking for inspiration to paint a Han army there is a good source:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDqamjm8 ... re=related
Chinese do the things BIG.

[Huaxtec15mm]

Can anyone who has seen the book shed/share some light on what armies did make the cut?

[philqw78]

full list here

http://www.fieldofglory.com/catalogue/20.html

[ravenflight]

It was a 'unique' interpretation of what evidence was available.

I remember once having to do an assignment for Biology class. They made us draw a picture of an animal that was described to us in written format. It was one of those 'this is what Darwin wrote about an animal, draw what he's describing'.

The animals we drew were so widely variable it was amazing.

Then the teacher showed us a picture of the actual animal.

Nobody got close.

[Huaxtec15mm]

full list here

http://www.fieldofglory.com/catalogue/20.html

Outstanding! Thanks!