New DLC's in 2025. and 2026.

[PanzerCro]

What do you think what DLC's we will see (and how many) in 2025. and 2026. ?

The last DLC for PC1 was in 2016. and after that they announced PC2 in 2017., what do you think, will history repeat and PC 3 will get announced in 2027 ?

[Thunderhog]

I expect after they finish up with the Frontlines DLC's we'll get our next start to a grand campaign. Hopefully it will be an Allied or Soviet Grand Campaign

[scorehouse]

need the Pacific Theatre

[Tassadar]

I don't think we will get any Grand Campaign in 2025, even in vague plans. If anything there might be chances for it in 2026, since for now it don't see anyone aside from Kerensky doing that ambitus project, unless Slitherine have someone else on their radar to involve in a a long-term plan. And from what I can see Kerensky is taking things at a slower and healthier pace (and good for him!) after producing an absolutely massive amount of content for Axis Operations. So he will probably stick to the War Stories concept. Of course there is still a chance that War Stories will be somehow linked giving us a semblance of a longer campaign (if not by direct full core import, then at least some partial unit or hero transfers), but that's pure speculation. I'd like to see a long allied campaign, a Japanese campaign or AO West just like any other person, but this year seems too soon.

My realistic guess is 3 more DLC in 2025. I'm really curious if my gut is telling me the right thing.

1. Another War Stories campaign that would be a chronological sequel to Fall of Poland, so probably defending France this time. Again being on the side that looses for a change, but with lessons learned from the Polish campaign to expand on what worked well and adjust what was perhaps not so successful in it. Norway seems too niche to spend a whole DLC on it.
2. Third Frontlines campaign and after what Cyrenaica shown, probably in the same mode in which the player can play two campaigns with the same scenarios from both sides. I'd bet on the early Burma campaign until 1941 or Winter War.
3. Another totally independent DLC - larger in scope than usual, but not as big as a Grand Campaign, essentially a equivalent of the German base game, but for example from the perspective of the British, Americans or (least likely) Soviets.

[PanzerCro]

3. Another totally independent DLC - larger in scope than usual, but not as big as a Grand Campaign, essentially a equivalent of the German base game, but for example form the perspective of the British, Americans or (least likely) Soviets.

Maybe Japanese campaign in China ?! That would be good choice.



And for Frontlines, maybe last German attack in the East (Spring awakening ?). Since the last german offensive in the West was represented from Allied side, this one could be from German side.

[Retributarr]

3. Another totally independent DLC - larger in scope than usual, but not as big as a Grand Campaign, essentially a equivalent of the German base game, but for example form the perspective of the British, Americans or (least likely) Soviets.

Maybe Japanese campaign in China ?! That would be good choice.



And for Frontlines, maybe last German attack in the East (Spring awakening ?). Since the last german offensive in the West was represented from Allied side, this one could be from German side.

Yes!!!... This is something which we have "Not-Yet-Had"... "a Japanese campaign in China". ...
~~~ From it's earliest stages-beginnings until late 1945. I would like both to have the "Historical Route" as well as a "Player Independent Route Option"... in this venture!... where in this case a 'Game Play Choice' would be available for the "Player" to decide the "Direction of The Asian War". The player could play the "Chinese or the Japanese".
~~~For the "Allies" ... the Europeans [Dutch-French-British-Etc.] and the Americans, they can be integrated or involved as the War-Unfolds... . Of course... in that case... their involvement would begin where they were historically in or at... at that historical point in time.
~~~If the... "Player Independent Route Option"... was chosen for this effort... then the Allied Involvement would have to somehow fit or be integrated into that unfolded sequence of events.
~~~That!... would make for a fascinating Game!!!.
~~~By-The-Way!... Why-Not also make this a "Multi-Player Game" at the same time. "???".

[Thunderhog]

I don't think we will get any Grand Campaign in 2025, even in vague plans. If anything there might be chances for it in 2026, since for now it don't see anyone aside from Kerensky doing that ambitus project, unless Slitherine have someone else on their radar to involve in a a long-term plan. And from what I can see Kerensky is taking things at a slower and healthier pace (and good for him!) after producing an absolutely massive amount of content for Axis Operations. So he will probably stick to the War Stories concept. Of course there is still a chance that War Stories will be somehow linked giving us a semblance of a longer campaign (if not by direct full core import, then at least some partial unit or hero transfers), but that's pure speculation. I'd like to see a long allied campaign, a Japanese campaign or AO West just like any other person, but this year seems too soon.

My realistic guess is 3 more DLC in 2025. I'm really curious if my gut is telling me the right thing.

1. Another War Stories campaign that would be a chronological sequel to Fall of Poland, so probably defending France this time. Again being on the side that looses for a change, but with lessons learned from the Polish campaign to expand on what worked well and adjust what was perhaps not so successful in it. Norway seems too niche to spend a whole DLC on it.
2. Third Frontlines campaign and after what Cyrenaica shown, probably in the same mode in which the player can play two campaigns with the same scenarios from both sides. I'd bet on the early Burma campaign until 1941 or Winter War.
3. Another totally independent DLC - larger in scope than usual, but not as big as a Grand Campaign, essentially a equivalent of the German base game, but for example from the perspective of the British, Americans or (least likely) Soviets.

All I really want is a Soviet or Allied Grand Campaign. Frontline DLC's are cool and let other people come in to make more stuff but man, I really want those long campaigns

[funat]

As I said elsewhere - unless I see DLCs connected into a bigger campaign, I am not buying. I don't care how good. These isolated DLCs completely miss the best part of PC2 - building of a fighting force over time.

[Gnosport]

I would love to have DLCs that added new models and unit classes.

[DefiantXYX]

As I said elsewhere - unless I see DLCs connected into a bigger campaign, I am not buying. I don't care how good. These isolated DLCs completely miss the best part of PC2 - building of a fighting force over time.

Yeah, true words. The actual DLC might be my last one...unless you get them for like 2€ and I am bored.

[nLjace]

I’ve recently started playing through the AO DLC after taking a long Panzer Corps break and I’m just starting 1942. Having a great time, as I did with the original game’s grand campaign DLCs.

I know this is cliche, but I’d really love a Soviet grand campaign. As we can see with some of the excellent mods for original Panzer Corps, there are a lot of more obscure battles/offensives that the Red Army was engaged in before and during the war that would make for a compelling campaign like the AO DLCs.

I also like the idea someone else mentioned about a Japan in China campaign although I think that would require some potentially large balance changes. But hey as long as they continue to support the game and make new, high quality DLC, I’ll probably be buying it.

[patzzzz]

3. Another totally independent DLC - larger in scope than usual, but not as big as a Grand Campaign, essentially a equivalent of the German base game, but for example form the perspective of the British, Americans or (least likely) Soviets.

Maybe Japanese campaign in China ?! That would be good choice.



And for Frontlines, maybe last German attack in the East (Spring awakening ?). Since the last german offensive in the West was represented from Allied side, this one could be from German side.

Seriously? Whoever touches that in a game will be abandoned by the Chinese market, unless the Chinese and Japanese made themselves. It’s like telling the black slavery history while you are white

[VirgilInTheSKY]

Seriously? Whoever touches that in a game will be abandoned by the Chinese market, unless the Chinese and Japanese made themselves. It’s like telling the black slavery history while you are white

Well, at least OoB also did that, and as far as I know the game didn't receive much critic on it. Turn-based strategy game itself is already a quite minor genre when you compare it to the popular games like FPS or MOBA, there really isn't that big a fan base when it comes to war games that can take more than half a hour to finish imo. Those guys know what to expect, unless you announce yourself to be "replicating real history" or something like that and then deliver a seriously troublesome product.

[Tassadar]

Seriously? Whoever touches that in a game will be abandoned by the Chinese market, unless the Chinese and Japanese made themselves. It’s like telling the black slavery history while you are white

Well, at least OoB also did that, and as far as I know the game didn't receive much critic on it. Turn-based strategy game itself is already a quite minor genre when you compare it to the popular games like FPS or MOBA, there really isn't that big a fan base when it comes to war games that can take more than half a hour to finish imo. Those guys know what to expect, unless you announce yourself to be "replicating real history" or something like that and then deliver a seriously troublesome product.

This exactly. Target audience is comparatively mature and also educated on the subjects brought up in the games to not make a fuss about the setting. Chinese audience would, if anything, complain about lack of localization for more popular titles (something often happening on Steam), but I do not see a reason setting already covered by Pacific General or OoB, not to mention other more niche titles should suddenly become an issue - especially if for example we were given a Cyrenaica style approach of playing the same missions from both sides.

Also, on a separate note, the initial comment was clearly meant as a troll entry meant to stir up controversy, so I would propose simply ignoring it further. I mean, we have a rather provocative statement from someone who just created an a account and that's their first post?

[VirgilInTheSKY]

This exactly. Target audience is comparatively mature and also educated on the subjects brought up in the games to not make a fuss about the setting. Chinese audience would, if anything, complain about lack of localization for more popular titles (something often happening on Steam), but I do not see a reason setting already covered by Pacific General or OoB, not to mention other more niche titles should suddenly become an issue - especially if for example we were given a Cyrenaica style approach of playing the same missions from both sides.

Also, on a separate note, the initial comment was clearly meant as a troll entry meant to stir up controversy, so I would propose simply ignoring it further. I mean, we have a rather provocative statement from someone who just created an a account and that's their first post?

Yeah, there really are a number of complains on Steam about lack of localisations. And I guess you are right, that surely looks like trolling.

[Retributarr]

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Maybe Japanese campaign in China ?! That would be good choice.

Seriously? Whoever touches that in a game will be abandoned by the Chinese market, unless the Chinese and Japanese made themselves. It’s like telling the black slavery history while you are white

Are You "SICK???"... If there are any "Historical Discrepancies"or "False Fact Representations" in the development of the 'So-Said-Game'... then those outsiders who are monitoring the development of the Game... can voice "Their Opinion" and state their reasons for protest and or give/submit corrections with verifiable back-up that can be Confirmed!.

If Not!!!... Then... "Shut-Up!!!"... Close Your Hole!.

[patzzzz]

PanzerCro post[/color]_id=1050655 time=1743187972 user_id=133156]


Seriously? Whoever touches that in a game will be abandoned by the Chinese market, unless the Chinese and Japanese made themselves. It’s like telling the black slavery history while you are white

Are You "SICK???"... If there are any "Historical Discrepancies"or "False Fact Representations" in the development of the 'So-Said-Game'... then those outsiders who are monitoring the development of the Game... can voice "Their Opinion" and state their reasons for protest and or give/submit corrections with verifiable back-up that can be Confirmed!.

If Not!!!... Then... "Shut-Up!!!"... Close Your Hole!.

On the contrary, perhaps you are the one who’s sick. The fact is, there are still some massacre events in the Sino-Japan war that are not admitted by the Japanese government. And the “outsiders” you are talking about, would not want to jeopardize the reputation of the game for the so-called discrepancies either, would they?

Plus I suppose this forum is a place for peaceful discussions, isn’t it? Wtf you can curse somebody without getting recorded? Spreading hatred words without getting consciously judged? I don’t think so.

[Retributarr]

patzzzz:
Stop "Whining!"... and "Provide The Irrefutable Evidence!". Then you will have "Credibility"... until then... your just being a "Nuisance".

[Tassadar]

Guys, if you want to continue this discussion please keep it civil, otherwise I can only see moderators intervening on both sides.

The fact is, there are still some massacre events in the Sino-Japan war that are not admitted by the Japanese government.

I meant not to respond, but since this has gotten a bit out o hand clearly, and you are adding further posts elsewhere, so I don't think it's just a trolling attempt anymore, I've decided to expand on some thoughts to hopefully clear up the air a bit.

The argument you make is as with any other conflict. The Spanish Civil War was full of horrible acts of violence, World War II has a lot of events that have been swept under the rug or misrepresented, but you can still have games set in this time on various front lines. Showcasing the second Sino-Japanese War would not be any different and what's more as it was said, this already happened and did not stir up controversy.

What you might be referring to I guess were some old Battlefield controversies, but FPS titles are not only more mainstream, but due to the nature of the gameplay much more prone to potential criticism. Here however you can also see that things are slightly changing - there is a new title, called The Defiant in development currently, and while this one is done by a Chinese studio, it shows that the winds are shifting even for this genre. With turn-based strategies you are looking at an older audience, often much more versed in history and more aware of the nuances behind it. It means that aside from a few trolls there really should not be any risk involved as long as the missions themselves do not intentionally run into the more horrid events.

Also, just the fact that the events were tragic, does not disqualify them from appearing. In both Panzer General and Panzer Corps 1 and 2 you have missions related to the Warsaw Uprising, which resulted in total destruction of the city and numerous civilian massacres (look up the Dirlewanger Brigade for example). Yet despite these missions being played as the Germans, the devs could make them work and there was no controversy in Poland about them. As a Pole myself, I never had an issue with playing them out despite knowing the fate of the resistance all too well. It is a matter of perspective and presenting the narrative respectfully, without being patronizing.

Finally, what you argue about controversy "unless the Chinese and Japanese made themselves" I find baffling, since it sounds as if only the nations being sides of the conflict have the right to talk about it and present it in media. I do not find this valid, as everyone has the right to talk about any period of history they want. Firaxis or Paradox do 4x games showcasing nations from all around the world and somehow they have always been fine. Age of Empires was a success in its every release with nothing I ever seen being raised. Stronghold Crusader did not stir up controversy in the Arab world and so on. Yes, you will find people acting in bad fate always, sometimes for the most bizarre reasons, but the setting itself was never really an issue. If anything, there might be controversy if a Japanese company tried producing a title like this given they were the aggressor, but for an European studio it is perfectly fine.

Let's not look for issues where there should be none and embrace creative freedom for developers as well as respect the intelligence and maturity of the audience. This is all that's needed and will surely be enough and if it's not, then I would still say stick to your principles of creative expression, since nothing will ever change for the better, if we just allow vocal minorities to impose their restrictions on media and art.

[patzzzz]

Guys, if you want to continue this discussion please keep it civil, otherwise I can only see moderators intervening on both sides.

The fact is, there are still some massacre events in the Sino-Japan war that are not admitted by the Japanese government.

I meant not to respond, but since this has gotten a bit out o hand clearly, and you are adding further posts elsewhere, so I don't think it's just a trolling attempt anymore, I've decided to expand on some thoughts to hopefully clear up the air a bit.

The argument you make is as with any other conflict. The Spanish Civil War was full of horrible acts of violence, World War II has a lot of events that have been swept under the rug or misrepresented, but you can still have games set in this time on various front lines. Showcasing the second Sino-Japanese War would not be any different and what's more as it was said, this already happened and did not stir up controversy.

What you might be referring to I guess were some old Battlefield controversies, but FPS titles are not only more mainstream, but due to the nature of the gameplay much more prone to potential criticism. Here however you can also see that things are slightly changing - there is a new title, called The Defiant in development currently, and while this one is done by a Chinese studio, it shows that the winds are shifting even for this genre. With turn-based strategies you are looking at an older audience, often much more versed in history and more aware of the nuances behind it. It means that aside from a few trolls there really should not be any risk involved as long as the missions themselves do not intentionally run into the more horrid events.

Also, just the fact that the events were tragic, does not disqualify them from appearing. In both Panzer General and Panzer Corps 1 and 2 you have missions related to the Warsaw Uprising, which resulted in total destruction of the city and numerous civilian massacres (look up the Dirlewanger Brigade for example). Yet despite these missions being played as the Germans, the devs could make them work and there was no controversy in Poland about them. As a Pole myself, I never had an issue with playing them out despite knowing the fate of the resistance all too well. It is a matter of perspective and presenting the narrative respectfully, without being patronizing.

Finally, what you argue about controversy "unless the Chinese and Japanese made themselves" I find baffling, since it sounds as if only the nations being sides of the conflict have the right to talk about it and present it in media. I do not find this valid, as everyone has the right to talk about any period of history they want. Firaxis or Paradox do 4x games showcasing nations from all around the world and somehow they have always been fine. Age of Empires was a success in its every release with nothing I ever seen being raised. Stronghold Crusader did not stir up controversy in the Arab world and so on. Yes, you will find people acting in bad fate always, sometimes for the most bizarre reasons, but the setting itself was never really an issue. If anything, there might be controversy if a Japanese company tried producing a title like this given they were the aggressor, but for an European studio it is perfectly fine.

Let's not look for issues where there should be none and embrace creative freedom for developers as well as respect the intelligence and maturity of the audience. This is all that's needed and will surely be enough and if it's not, then I would still say stick to your principles of creative expression, since nothing will ever change for the better, if we just allow vocal minorities to impose their restrictions on media and art.

Thank you, Tassadar, for your time and honest and mature reply. Let's agree to the disagrees and keep keep topic from here, if no one objects.