CEaW Grand Strategy Expansion - Fall of France Stats

schwerpunkt · Post by **schwerpunkt** » Fri Dec 11, 2009 8:03 am

Ronnie,
The stats for me as the Allies/British are not quite correct. I lost an entire British Inf corp in the French campaign so the Inf losses should not be 0.
Cheers

Neil

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 3:58 pm

We're resetting the stats to include only Grand Strategy Expansion games played with v1.00 features. We'd like to include statistics from the larger community in order to properly assess weather and morale loss on the Fall of France. The more data we have from a wider range of games played the better we can assess, and tweak if necessary, these models.

Peter Stauffenberg · Post by **Peter Stauffenberg** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:25 pm

Can you flag each game that started with Sitzkrieg with (S)? With Sitzkrieg I mean those games where the Germans started the attack upon Belgium in fair weather in 1940. Both my games can be flagged as Sitzkrieg.

Those games without Sitzkrieg are those where the Germans attacked Belgium in 1939 and fought many turns in winter and mud weather before getting to Paris.

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 4:39 pm

Stauffenberg wrote:Can you flag each game that started with Sitzkrieg with (S)? With Sitzkrieg I mean those games where the Germans started the attack upon Belgium in fair weather in 1940. Both my games can be flagged as Sitzkrieg.

Those games without Sitzkrieg are those where the Germans attacked Belgium in 1939 and fought many turns in winter and mud weather before getting to Paris.

Done.

PanzerGeneral · Post by **PanzerGeneral** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 8:49 pm

rkr1958 wrote:
Stauffenberg wrote:Can you flag each game that started with Sitzkrieg with (S)? With Sitzkrieg I mean those games where the Germans started the attack upon Belgium in fair weather in 1940. Both my games can be flagged as Sitzkrieg.

Those games without Sitzkrieg are those where the Germans attacked Belgium in 1939 and fought many turns in winter and mud weather before getting to Paris.
Done.

The game between me and Trulster can also be flagged as sitzkrieg.

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Sat Dec 19, 2009 9:13 pm

Added Supermax (axis) vs. PanzerGeneral (allies).

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Sun Dec 20, 2009 6:32 am

Added Jim (Axis) vs Borger (Allies).

schwerpunkt · Post by **schwerpunkt** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 12:19 pm

Ronnie,
Another game for you.

Neil (axis) vs Mr Plow (allied)
Sitzkreig (weather was poor from October to March inclusive - *grumble*)

Fall of France = 17th July 1940

Casualties for French campaign:

German: 287,052 Inf, 312 Arm, 728 Air, 75 Sub

British: 20,144 Inf#, 0 Arm, 1170 Air, 30 Ship (#=sunk at sea, does it count?)

Cheers,

Neil

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 3:04 pm

schwerpunkt wrote:Ronnie,
Another game for you.

Neil (axis) vs Mr Plow (allied)
Sitzkreig (weather was poor from October to March inclusive - *grumble*)

Fall of France = 17th July 1940

Casualties for French campaign:

German: 287,052 Inf, 312 Arm, 728 Air, 75 Sub

British: 20,144 Inf#, 0 Arm, 1170 Air, 30 Ship (#=sunk at sea, does it count?)

Cheers,

Neil

Neil, added. Are the British air losses correct? Does the 1170 include UK only? Also, the UK transport losses (w/infantry) get factored into the ships lost.

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 8:15 pm

Added Frank (axis) versus Joe (allies).

schwerpunkt · Post by **schwerpunkt** » Wed Dec 23, 2009 10:28 pm

[/quote]
Are the British air losses correct? Does the 1170 include UK only? [/quote]

ahhh, make that 680 Air. Looks like I didnt deduct the Brit air losses at Apr 28. By the way, those Brit Inf losses are reported in the casualty total (as 20,144) so they werent included in the shipping.

Neil

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:54 pm

Added Trulster (axis) vs Massina (allies) and corrected Neil (axis) vs MrPlow (allies) numbers.

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 12:01 am

Added MrPlow (axis) vs Borger (allies).

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Mon Dec 28, 2009 6:10 am

Added Joe (axis) vs Ray (allies).

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 7:03 am

Joe (axis) vs Dave (allies) and WarSpot (axis) vs Trulster (allies).

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 4:55 pm

?unnamed opponent (axis) vs jjdenver (2 games).

1. By the way, if you provide me stats and do NOT have an estimate of minor allied country losses (especially Polish air losses) then I have to make a "wag" at it. My "wag" for UK losses will be: 0 infantry, 0 tanks, Air_Casualties - 130 (this assumes Polish air losses of 5 steps), Ship_Casualties

2. I want to thank everyone who's providing stats to me. Stats from wider play of the GS expansion definitely helps with determining early game play balance and if any tweaks are necessary. So far, the stats imply that the early game appears fairly well balanced with a fall of France date that's close to historical.

afk_nero · Post by **afk_nero** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:35 pm

In my game versus jjdenver fall of france stats

afk_nero:
France fell on 28 April 1940
Axis casualties: 392,808
Tank losses: 1092
Air losses: 910
Naval losses: 40

Not sure how to work out UK losses - I know that there where no ground losses as these where not committed to France.

UK losses where reported as follows:
Casualties: 710,076
Air: 338
Tank losses: 0
Naval losses: 15

rkr1958 · Post by **rkr1958** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 5:38 pm

afk_nero wrote:In my game versus jjdenver fall of france stats

afk_nero:
France fell on 28 April 1940
Axis casualties: 392,808
Tank losses: 1092
Air losses: 910
Naval losses: 40

Not sure how to work out UK losses - I know that there where no ground losses as these where not committed to France.

UK losses where reported as follows:
Casualties: 710,076
Air: 338
Tank losses: 0
Naval losses: 15

Were you the allies or the axis?

afk_nero · Post by **afk_nero** » Sat Jan 02, 2010 6:36 pm

I am Axis - jjdenver is allies. Apologies should have clarified.