Historicon 2010 FoG events

[babyshark]

Historicon will be held July 8-12, 2010 in Valley Forge, PA. Come join the fun! The following is the PEL listing. More details will be posted to this thread in the near future.

Thursday, July 8

Mini Open
Players may bring any legal 650 point army from the Field of Glory Companions. 15mm will be played on a 5x3 table; 25mm will be played on a 6x4 table using a 40mm MU. This event will be run in 15mm for sure, and also in 25mm, assuming that enough players show up; 25mm players are encouraged to bring a 15mm army just in case.
GM: Marc Crotteau (juvenileshark@yahoo.com)

Round 1: 12:00 – 3:00
Round 2: 4:00 – 7:00
Round 3: 8:00 – 11:00

Friday, July 9

Steppes v. Civilization Theme event

This event is designed to pit steppe armies against the civilized peoples that fear and loathe them. Players will bring an 800 point army from either of the two lists below; games will be played on a 6x4 table in 15mm and 8x5 using a 40mm MU in 25mm. All games will be steppe v. civilized, with each game earning points for one side or the other. A campaign map will show which provinces have been looted by the hordes or saved by their stalwart defenders. There will be a group prize for the side that wins. Further prizes will be awarded for the steppe player who loots the most camps and for the civilized player who slays the most steppe generals, in addition to the most successful player on each side.

Because of space limitation in the PEL, players are advised to check the Field of Glory forum at www.slitherine.com or the NorthAmericanFoG yahoogroup for further details of how the event will be organized. As usual, 25mm players are encouraged to bring a 15mm army just in case.
GM: Marc Crotteau (juvenileshark@yahoo.com)

Round 1: 9:00 – 1:00
Round 2: 2:30 – 6:30
Round 3: 7:00 – 11:00

List of Steppe armies:
Early Horse Nomad
Later Horse Nomad
Cimmerian
Early Skythian
Skythian
Kushan or Indo-Skythian
Western Hunnic
Hepthalite Hunnic
Early Ostrogoth
Later Sarmatian
Early Bulgar
Western Turk
Seljuk Turk (only before 1092 AD; that is, no Rum, Syria, or Eastern options)
Mongol Conquest
Mongol Invasion
Tatar
Cuman
Pecheneg
Avar

List of Settled armies:
Neo-Sargonid Assyrians
Early Achaemenid Persian (but no Medizing Greeks in 479)
Alexander Macedonian
Graeco-Bactrian
Foederate Roman (eastern options only)
Sassanid Persian
Early Byzantines
Maurikian Byzantines
Thematic Byzantines
Warring States to Western Han Chinese
Eastern Han Chinese
Northern Dynasties Chinese
Western Wei to Early T’ang Chinese
Late T’ang to Five Dynasties Chinese
Georgian
Khwarazmian
Early Russian
Late Russian
Early Lithuanian or Samogitan
Later Lithuanian
Feudal Polish
Later Polish
Early Hungarian
Middle Hungarian
Late Heian to Muromachi Japanese


Saturday, July 10

Open Tournament

Players may bring any legal 800 point army from the published Field of Glory army list books. Games will be played on a 6x4 table in 15mm, and 8x5 table using a 40mm MU in 25mm. This event will be run in 15mm for sure, and also in 25mm, assuming that enough players show up; 25mm players are encouraged to bring a 15mm army just in case.
GM: Marc Crotteau (juvenileshark@yahoo.com)

Round 1: 9:00 – 1:00
Round 2: 2:30 – 6:30
Round 3: 7:00 – 11:00

[ethan]

One reason I think the theme event is interesting is that it combines some features of the team tournaments, everyone is participating in a group goal which is hopefully a bit friendlier to new people/players than the usual more open tournament event. At the same time it will have everyone playing three pretty "straight up" games of FoG against different people than they usually play so if you are just there for the game you get that as well. This format is also a lot friendlier to people that want to play a game or two but don't want to commit the whole day (especially if they can come in pairs) to FoG.

If this theme/semi-team format works I think it could be an interesting addition to Historicon and differentiate it a bit from more traditional tournament events in the US.

[footslogger]

Does anyone plan doing 25s in the theme? I have an army.

[babyshark]

Does anyone plan doing 25s in the theme? I have an army.

I will take an even number of 25mm players and mix their games in--somehow--with the overall theme. So long as there are at least 4 25mm players, that is. Better still if there are 6, evenly divided between steppe and civilized. C'mon, you 25mm players, you know who you are. Organize yourselves!

Marc

[footslogger]

I'm not sure I can make it. If so, I would be playing Sassanids.

[PaulByzan]

Historicon will be held July 8-12, 2010 in Valley Forge, PA. Come join the fun! The following is the PEL listing. More details will be posted to this thread in the near future.

Thursday, July 8

Mini Open
Players may bring any legal 650 point army from the Field of Glory Companions. 15mm will be played on a 5x3 table; 25mm will be played on a 6x4 table using a 40mm MU. This event will be run in 15mm for sure, and also in 25mm, assuming that enough players show up; 25mm players are encouraged to bring a 15mm army just in case.
GM: Marc Crotteau (juvenileshark@yahoo.com)

Round 1: 12:00 – 3:00
Round 2: 4:00 – 7:00
Round 3: 8:00 – 11:00

Friday, July 9

Steppes v. Civilization Theme event

This event is designed to pit steppe armies against the civilized peoples that fear and loathe them. Players will bring an 800 point army from either of the two lists below; games will be played on a 6x4 table in 15mm and 8x5 using a 40mm MU in 25mm. All games will be steppe v. civilized, with each game earning points for one side or the other. A campaign map will show which provinces have been looted by the hordes or saved by their stalwart defenders. There will be a group prize for the side that wins. Further prizes will be awarded for the steppe player who loots the most camps and for the civilized player who slays the most steppe generals, in addition to the most successful player on each side.

Because of space limitation in the PEL, players are advised to check the Field of Glory forum at www.slitherine.com or the NorthAmericanFoG yahoogroup for further details of how the event will be organized. As usual, 25mm players are encouraged to bring a 15mm army just in case.
GM: Marc Crotteau (juvenileshark@yahoo.com)

Round 1: 9:00 – 1:00
Round 2: 2:30 – 6:30
Round 3: 7:00 – 11:00

List of Steppe armies:
Early Horse Nomad
Later Horse Nomad
Cimmerian
Early Skythian
Skythian
Kushan or Indo-Skythian
Western Hunnic
Hepthalite Hunnic
Early Ostrogoth
Later Sarmatian
Early Bulgar
Western Turk
Seljuk Turk (only before 1092 AD; that is, no Rum, Syria, or Eastern options)
Mongol Conquest
Mongol Invasion
Tatar
Cuman
Pecheneg
Avar

List of Settled armies:
Neo-Sargonid Assyrians
Early Achaemenid Persian (but no Medizing Greeks in 479)
Alexander Macedonian
Graeco-Bactrian
Foederate Roman (eastern options only)
Sassanid Persian
Early Byzantines
Maurikian Byzantines
Thematic Byzantines
Warring States to Western Han Chinese
Eastern Han Chinese
Northern Dynasties Chinese
Western Wei to Early T’ang Chinese
Late T’ang to Five Dynasties Chinese
Georgian
Khwarazmian
Early Russian
Late Russian
Early Lithuanian or Samogitan
Later Lithuanian
Feudal Polish
Later Polish
Early Hungarian
Middle Hungarian
Late Heian to Muromachi Japanese


Saturday, July 10

Open Tournament

Players may bring any legal 800 point army from the published Field of Glory army list books. Games will be played on a 6x4 table in 15mm, and 8x5 table using a 40mm MU in 25mm. This event will be run in 15mm for sure, and also in 25mm, assuming that enough players show up; 25mm players are encouraged to bring a 15mm army just in case.
GM: Marc Crotteau (juvenileshark@yahoo.com)

Round 1: 9:00 – 1:00
Round 2: 2:30 – 6:30
Round 3: 7:00 – 11:00

Marc, I note the pre-1092 Seljuks are allowed in the Steppe armies when none of their opponents is allowed for the Settled armies (with the possible exception of the Georgians). No post 1042 Nikephorean Byzantines, no Fatimids, no Ghaznavids, no Buyids (Dailami Dynasties), all enemies of the early Seljuks in their steppe period show up. I know I can run Thematics but I'm a Nikephorian guy at heart.

Paul Georgian

[babyshark]

Marc, I note the pre-1092 Seljuks are allowed in the Steppe armies when none of their opponents is allowed for the Settled armies (with the possible exception of the Georgians). No post 1042 Nikephorean Byzantines, no Fatimids, no Ghaznavids, no Buyids (Dailami Dynasties), all enemies of the early Seljuks in their steppe period show up. I know I can run Thematics but I'm a Nikephorian guy at heart.

Paul Georgian

Paul:

Somehow, I knew that you would raise up with a comment about the Byzantines.

The answer is that I had to do a great deal of arbitrary cutting-off in order to have any limits to the listed armies. I acknowledge that this has resulted in an injustice to the Nikephorian Byzantines, and undoubtedly to other armies as well. I am doing my best to be able to live with myself; with the help and support of my wargaming friends I think I can get through this difficult episode.

More seriously, as I said, I had to exclude some armies. There are already a large number of choices on the civilized side; adding all the armies you mentioned would not--in my judgment--have improved the event.

Marc

[PaulByzan]

OK, trying to make your life even more difficult, how about this. Why do you include the Early Byzantines? They end at 550AD, eight years before the sole Steppe army attack of the Early Bulgars. And the Avars never attacked them until after that date either. So they were never invaded by Steppe armies.

Paul

Marc, I note the pre-1092 Seljuks are allowed in the Steppe armies when none of their opponents is allowed for the Settled armies (with the possible exception of the Georgians). No post 1042 Nikephorean Byzantines, no Fatimids, no Ghaznavids, no Buyids (Dailami Dynasties), all enemies of the early Seljuks in their steppe period show up. I know I can run Thematics but I'm a Nikephorian guy at heart.

Paul Georgian

Paul:

Somehow, I knew that you would raise up with a comment about the Byzantines.

The answer is that I had to do a great deal of arbitrary cutting-off in order to have any limits to the listed armies. I acknowledge that this has resulted in an injustice to the Nikephorian Byzantines, and undoubtedly to other armies as well. I am doing my best to be able to live with myself; with the help and support of my wargaming friends I think I can get through this difficult episode.

More seriously, as I said, I had to exclude some armies. There are already a large number of choices on the civilized side; adding all the armies you mentioned would not--in my judgment--have improved the event.

Marc

[babyshark]

OK, trying to make your life even more difficult, how about this. Why do you include the Early Byzantines? They end at 550AD, eight years before the sole Steppe army attack of the Early Bulgars. And the Avars never attacked them until after that date either. So they were never invaded by Steppe armies.

Paul

Paul:

I had the notion in my head that the Early Byz did fight the Early Bulgars, at least, which is why I concluded them.

Marc

[PaulByzan]

OK, trying to make your life even more difficult, how about this. Why do you include the Early Byzantines? They end at 550AD, eight years before the sole Steppe army attack of the Early Bulgars. And the Avars never attacked them until after that date either. So they were never invaded by Steppe armies.

Paul

Paul:

I had the notion in my head that the Early Byz did fight the Early Bulgars, at least, which is why I concluded them.

Marc

Marc,

It's strictly a date issue. The authors end the early Byzantine list at 550AD. The Bulgar attack happened in 558AD, so under the time period of the Maurikian Byzantine army which definitely belongs on the list. Should be an easy fix to drop the Eary Byzantines and substitute post 1042 late Nikephorians.

Paul

[emptied]

Historicon will be held July 8-12, 2010 in Valley Forge, PA. Come join the fun! The following is the PEL listing. More details will be posted to this thread in the near future.

Thursday, July 8

Mini Open
Players may bring any legal 650 point army from the Field of Glory Companions. 15mm will be played on a 5x3 table; 25mm will be played on a 6x4 table using a 40mm MU. This event will be run in 15mm for sure, and also in 25mm, assuming that enough players show up; 25mm players are encouraged to bring a 15mm army just in case.
GM: Marc Crotteau (juvenileshark@yahoo.com)

Round 1: 12:00 – 3:00
Round 2: 4:00 – 7:00
Round 3: 8:00 – 11:00

Friday, July 9

Steppes v. Civilization Theme event

This event is designed to pit steppe armies against the civilized peoples that fear and loathe them. Players will bring an 800 point army from either of the two lists below; games will be played on a 6x4 table in 15mm and 8x5 using a 40mm MU in 25mm. All games will be steppe v. civilized, with each game earning points for one side or the other. A campaign map will show which provinces have been looted by the hordes or saved by their stalwart defenders. There will be a group prize for the side that wins. Further prizes will be awarded for the steppe player who loots the most camps and for the civilized player who slays the most steppe generals, in addition to the most successful player on each side.

Because of space limitation in the PEL, players are advised to check the Field of Glory forum at www.slitherine.com or the NorthAmericanFoG yahoogroup for further details of how the event will be organized. As usual, 25mm players are encouraged to bring a 15mm army just in case.
GM: Marc Crotteau (juvenileshark@yahoo.com)

Round 1: 9:00 – 1:00
Round 2: 2:30 – 6:30
Round 3: 7:00 – 11:00

List of Steppe armies:
Early Horse Nomad
Later Horse Nomad
Cimmerian
Early Skythian
Skythian
Kushan or Indo-Skythian
Western Hunnic
Hepthalite Hunnic
Early Ostrogoth
Later Sarmatian
Early Bulgar
Western Turk
Seljuk Turk (only before 1092 AD; that is, no Rum, Syria, or Eastern options)
Mongol Conquest
Mongol Invasion
Tatar
Cuman
Pecheneg
Avar

List of Settled armies:
Neo-Sargonid Assyrians
Early Achaemenid Persian (but no Medizing Greeks in 479)
Alexander Macedonian
Graeco-Bactrian
Foederate Roman (eastern options only)
Sassanid Persian
Early Byzantines
Maurikian Byzantines
Thematic Byzantines
Warring States to Western Han Chinese
Eastern Han Chinese
Northern Dynasties Chinese
Western Wei to Early T’ang Chinese
Late T’ang to Five Dynasties Chinese
Georgian
Khwarazmian
Early Russian
Late Russian
Early Lithuanian or Samogitan
Later Lithuanian
Feudal Polish
Later Polish
Early Hungarian
Middle Hungarian
Late Heian to Muromachi Japanese


Saturday, July 10

Open Tournament

Players may bring any legal 800 point army from the published Field of Glory army list books. Games will be played on a 6x4 table in 15mm, and 8x5 table using a 40mm MU in 25mm. This event will be run in 15mm for sure, and also in 25mm, assuming that enough players show up; 25mm players are encouraged to bring a 15mm army just in case.
GM: Marc Crotteau (juvenileshark@yahoo.com)

Round 1: 9:00 – 1:00
Round 2: 2:30 – 6:30
Round 3: 7:00 – 11:00

Right-o. You are going to have 3 25mm blokes from Chicago for the Satuday event. (We shall beat each other to find who plays which army). We are going to have to look at the thursday event; We would like to play, but we're not sure how it will interact with the traveling.

On a related note...Why no Ming in the Saturday event? I could have sword they fought nomads... Song also....

[babyshark]

Right-o. You are going to have 3 25mm blokes from Chicago for the Satuday event. (We shall beat each other to find who plays which army). We are going to have to look at the thursday event; We would like to play, but we're not sure how it will interact with the traveling.

On a related note...Why no Ming in the Saturday event? I could have sword they fought nomads... Song also....

Sweet. Assuming that most of the usual suspect show up the 25mm Open will be a go.

Assuming further that there is not a misunderstanding over which event happens on which date . . . . The Steppes v. Civilization event is Friday, the Open is Saturday. You may certainly bring Ming or Song to the Open if you choose.

Marc

[emptied]

Right-o. You are going to have 3 25mm blokes from Chicago for the Satuday event. (We shall beat each other to find who plays which army). We are going to have to look at the thursday event; We would like to play, but we're not sure how it will interact with the traveling.

On a related note...Why no Ming in the Saturday event? I could have sword they fought nomads... Song also....

Sweet. Assuming that most of the usual suspect show up the 25mm Open will be a go.

Assuming further that there is not a misunderstanding over which event happens on which date . . . . The Steppes v. Civilization event is Friday, the Open is Saturday. You may certainly bring Ming or Song to the Open if you choose.

Marc

'Pologies, I meant the Friday event, for the Ming and Song. Apart from that we shall see you there.

[footslogger]

It's likely that I will attend now. I'll bring a Sassanid and a Hun army and will play on whichever side needs players.

[babyshark]

It's likely that I will attend now. I'll bring a Sassanid and a Hun army and will play on whichever side needs players.

Glad to hear it. Are you a 15mm or a 25mm player?

Marc

[footslogger]

25s. I actually don't have any 15mm armies so can't bring a backup. I'm hoping enough folks will show up to make it an event.

[stecal]

Any update on the 25mm headcount for the Steppe Theme? I can either start furiously painting to finish 25mm Sarmatians or field some kind of Ottoman looking Seljuks in 15mm.

[emptied]

I'll be in the 25mm steppe theme, if its available

[babyshark]

Based on presently available information, I believe that 25mm will be viable on all three days. However, this is subject to change w/o notice, as even a couple players bowing out at the last minute can have a marked effect with the smaller player pool in 25mm. As usual, I recommend bringing an army for 15mm as well, just in case.

Marc

[footslogger]

From our group in Chicago for 25mm (emptied is part of that group), there will be two of us in the theme, and four of us in the open.