supported arty

bawawa · Post by **bawawa** » Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:47 pm

Hi every body,
Sorry if already asked, didn't find anything about that...
Let's consider 2 BG of infantry (swedish brigades) facing a german arty BG (2 bases medium) supported by a 6 bases infantry BG so as the 2 swedish are 2 MU from arty front.
Shooting phase of german, arty is destroyed by swedish fire...

Then swedish turn :

1/ Do we have to remove arty bases (end of german phase)?
2/ If yes...now, where is the front rank of the former supporter of arty...
a) still at the arty front level, in that case the swedish BGs can charge the supporter ?
b) or at their actual position, the swedish BGs cannot charge the supporter...
3/ If no, can swedish BGs charge german infantry through the dead guns ? (distance ?)
Many thanks
Eric

deadtorius · Post by **deadtorius** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 1:59 am

Yes the guns are removed at the end of the joint action phase, I assume they lost a base and are auto broke (page 152)
I would assume the supporters would stay where they were, since they were not in melee and were not assumed to be at the f ront of the guns. If they were to move away from support or were to have to pursue they would measure from the front of the guns but they did not move at all. Don't forget they would still have to take a cohesion test for seeing friends break (the arty).

So my guess is the supporters are out of charge range, but there are no obstacles to stop the Swedes from charging them once in range.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 6:04 am

The supporters are assumed to be at the front of the guns. I usually place the sticking out file level with the guns to indicate its position and shooting range.

Hence when the guns are removed the whole BG should be placed level with the previous front edge of the guns.

bawawa · Post by **bawawa** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 2:46 pm

Many thanks Richard, I thought as you...seems to be...logical !

RPHUey · Post by **RPHUey** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 3:15 pm

A related question to this scenario which has confused me in the past : When shooting into a supported artillery BG, is the target 1) the artillery, 2) the supporting infantry or 3) shooter's choice? The start of this thread implies that the artillery can be targeted.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Sat Jul 30, 2011 7:18 pm

RPHUey wrote:A related question to this scenario which has confused me in the past : When shooting into a supported artillery BG, is the target 1) the artillery, 2) the supporting infantry or 3) shooter's choice? The start of this thread implies that the artillery can be targeted.

Shooters choice as they are both the same distance away.

donkiesrus2003 · Post by **donkiesrus2003** » Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:54 pm

RPHUey wrote:
A related question to this scenario which has confused me in the past : When shooting into a supported artillery BG, is the target 1) the artillery, 2) the supporting infantry or 3) shooter's choice? The start of this thread implies that the artillery can be targeted.

Shooters choice as they are both the same distance away.

Then how come the infantry supporting artillery cannot fire at the shooters as their own artillery is supposed to be in the way?

We have being playing as situation 1 applies at the artillery was closer with the infantry in close support behind the guns. The line of fire should be reciprocal, as if the artillery is in the way af the infantry then it is a closer target to the shooter and priority kicks in.

bawawa · Post by **bawawa** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:17 am

an interesting thing could be to have to split fire between the 2 BG when shooting at supported arty ! They are melt ! and will be more difficult to destroy arty, what do you think about that.

rbodleyscott · Post by **rbodleyscott** » Mon Aug 01, 2011 9:32 am

donkiesrus2003 wrote:
RPHUey wrote:
A related question to this scenario which has confused me in the past : When shooting into a supported artillery BG, is the target 1) the artillery, 2) the supporting infantry or 3) shooter's choice? The start of this thread implies that the artillery can be targeted.

Shooters choice as they are both the same distance away.
Then how come the infantry supporting artillery cannot fire at the shooters as their own artillery is supposed to be in the way?

Because the rules specifically forbid it, and they do so because this would allow an unhistorical weight of fire in a small frontage. (And the artillerymen might object to being shot through).

The depth of the artillery is small but finite.

I have to admit that the current interpretation was not envisaged when the rules were written, but it does seem to represent the meaning of the RAW. IMO it is not a big enough deal to merit an erratum.