Morris Axis vs Kragdob Allies

[joerock22]

That's a little careless of the UK player. Nice job taking advantage. If you rush in some German reinforcements, you may be able to wipe out the whole 8th Army.

[Kragdob]

That's a little careless of the UK player.

This is not little. It is huge!

[GogTheMild]

It is nice to see two such experienced players be so sloppy. It makes me feel better about the way I play .

[Morris]

That's a little careless of the UK player. Nice job taking advantage. If you rush in some German reinforcements, you may be able to wipe out the whole 8th Army.

Since I never thought of this kind of situation , so I had no ability to send any German reinforment also no Italians aviliable

[shawkhan]

No RN in the Med? If I were you I would definitely send any available garrisons to cut off anything but level one supply to the British army.
Could you post a screenshot of your Barbarossa preparations if not too inconvenient?

[Morris]

Could you post a screenshot of your Barbarossa preparations if not too inconvenient?

Almost the same lvl as the one with you

[Morris]

Mar 14th 1941 winter/fair


In North Altlantic , our fleet was attacked by RN bloc again ! our BB are badly damaged & they can't run out of RN's attack area . So we stand & fight with our U-boats . We also sink one BB & a DD & badly hurt another . But it is really not a good business for Axis navy ! Axis have no spare pp to recover the navy !






In Lybia , English was cut off . Since no more enforcement will come , we retreat back to Topruk .& Allies will reset their supply this turn . But they are too weak to attack , it seems they will have to recover by several turns .

[Cybvep]

Bah, a wasted opportunity IMO. The Axis should take advantage of situations like this, especially so early in the game. I guess that you left few units in the Med, heh.

[Morris]

Bah, a wasted opportunity IMO. The Axis should take advantage of situations like this, especially so early in the game. I guess that you left few units in the Med, heh.

we can't look forward to a opponent's careless mistake . & We still have whole Italian Navy in Med !

[Peter Stauffenberg]

If the Axis go for a big surface Kriegsmarine then I think you need to build CV's so you can challenge the Allies in the air. If they can use CV's and strategic bombers to soften up the Axis navy then their surface ship can more easily sink the Kriegsmarine.

I wonder how these extra Axis BB's have for consequence for the Barbarossa build-up. If you build those extra BB's you need to ensure you get control of the Atlantic until the Americans joins so no convoys get home. If you lose the battle of the Atlantic then these builds were wasted.

Don't you burn a lot of extra oil using your Kriegsmarine against the Royal Navy? What about the UK convoys? Are they attacked or do they sail home undamaged since the wolfpacks are hunting battleships instead?

If Kragdob has emptied the Mediterranean to battle you in the Atlantic then you could maybe change your plans and land an Axis invasion force in Egypt to capture Port Said and then move towards Iraq.

I'm not sure what's best, but you need to take advantage of your opponent weakening some position to strengthen another position. It's just like chess. If you only respond to your opponents moves then you will eventually lose. You need to take advantage of his moves to create your own moves that he must respond to.

[Morris]

If the Axis go for a big surface Kriegsmarine then I think you need to build CV's so you can challenge the Allies in the air. If they can use CV's and strategic bombers to soften up the Axis navy then their surface ship can more easily sink the Kriegsmarine.

I wonder how these extra Axis BB's have for consequence for the Barbarossa build-up. If you build those extra BB's you need to ensure you get control of the Atlantic until the Americans joins so no convoys get home. If you lose the battle of the Atlantic then these builds were wasted.

Don't you burn a lot of extra oil using your Kriegsmarine against the Royal Navy? What about the UK convoys? Are they attacked or do they sail home undamaged since the wolfpacks are hunting battleships instead?

If Kragdob has emptied the Mediterranean to battle you in the Atlantic then you could maybe change your plans and land an Axis invasion force in Egypt to capture Port Said and then move towards Iraq.

I'm not sure what's best, but you need to take advantage of your opponent weakening some position to strengthen another position. It's just like chess. If you only respond to your opponents moves then you will eventually lose. You need to take advantage of his moves to create your own moves that he must respond to.

Hi Borger , longtime no see ! Thanks for your lesson ! I wish you would teach me earlier ! But now I almost lost my advantage which got from an early France fall .But regarding to the Allies's navy , according to the message from the force data , UK's navy has 23 units in cluding 10 DDs. it means he build at least 10 navy units !So besides the fleet we met in Altlantic , there are still enough fleet in Med.

[Morris]

Too busy to make AAR . It will continue on Monday .

[Rojas4]

Mar 14th 1941 winter/fair


In North Altlantic , our fleet was attacked by RN bloc again ! our BB are badly damaged & they can't run out of RN's attack area . So we stand & fight with our U-boats . We also sink one BB & a DD & badly hurt another . But it is really not a good business for Axis navy ! Axis have no spare pp to recover the navy !

That's some Kriegsmarine for early 41, if you can hunt the RN to extinction the loses should be fair but worth it later.

I recall you saying they were building 7 DDs though, that might make it impossible.... But then that means no Brit interventions elsewhere are likely right away.

This leads me to think trying to control the atlantic as Axis without either taking Gib or England may be a little futile? You either need the RM or need to draw the RN into aircraft range to strike a decisive hit? Just doesn't seem to be practical to wage a sub based atlantic war alone as Germany while England stands and the Eastern front starts.

[Morris]

Mar 14th 1941 winter/fair


In North Altlantic , our fleet was attacked by RN bloc again ! our BB are badly damaged & they can't run out of RN's attack area . So we stand & fight with our U-boats . We also sink one BB & a DD & badly hurt another . But it is really not a good business for Axis navy ! Axis have no spare pp to recover the navy !

That's some Kriegsmarine for early 41, if you can hunt the RN to extinction the loses should be fair but worth it later.

I recall you saying they were building 7 DDs though, that might make it impossible.... But then that means no Brit interventions elsewhere are likely right away.

This leads me to think trying to control the atlantic as Axis without either taking Gib or England may be a little futile? You either need the RM or need to draw the RN into aircraft range to strike a decisive hit? Just doesn't seem to be practical to wage a sub based atlantic war alone as Germany while England stands and the Eastern front starts.

Yes , It seems you are right & I give up Altlantic soon after losing my surface battleships .

[Morris]

Apr 3rd ---Apr 23rd 1941



The RN catch up with our BBs & sink them . It was a tragedy of Altlantic .All subs are badly hurt . We retreat all of them back to home . & we will revenge in the east next turn !






In Lybia , the 8th army is going to recover from the accident & restart their attack .

[Morris]

May 13th 1941 fair


Barbarosa !



north group







south group

[Cybvep]

The northern advance isn't very impressive, but the southern one... Well, it will be hard to stop it .

[Peter Stauffenberg]

I'm not that impressed of the southern advance either having so many armor and mech units. Neither Kishinov nor Odessa fell. It seems the front line near Lvov hasn't been pushed hard either. So the Russian corps units in the area south be able to escape. Even the ones located in the Pripet marshes.

The Germans will steamroll the south and easily get to Rostov and beyond in 1941. That doesn't mean much if the Russians won't lose neither Leningrad nor Moscow.

Russia should just make sure they don't lose many units to the panzer group in the south. Retreat all the way back to Stalingrad (even further if needed to), but save your corps units. Put some garrison units as stumble block in the cities. That means most of Morris'es huge mech / panzer army will spend 1941 MOVING and not fighting. By saving most of the army in 1941 the Russians can make a strong counter offensive in the winter and push the Germans in the south quite far back towards Rostov and Kharkov.

I fear an Axis attack on Moscow and Leningrad in 1941 more than an Axis attack in the south only. I can afford to retreat in the south, but hate to give up Leningrad and Moscow. The good defensive terrain there is hard to give up because the Germans can use it to dig in when the tide turns.

So I think Kragdob isn't doing bad here looking that the May 1941 results of the Barbarossa.

[Cybvep]

I think that it's too early to tell. Anyway, while I agree that an attack on Moscow can be more dangerous, the reality is that it's very very hard to capture Moscow in 1941 if the Allied player is not a noob. You can capture Leningrad and it's not even THAT hard, but Moscow is usually out of reach.

Nevertheless, given the huge concentration of force in the south, it is indeed a bit surprising that e.g. Chisinau survived, which leads me to believe that Morris wasn't trying to capture it and wanted to move his heavy hitters forward instead.

[Kragdob]

I had Odessa heavily defended by 1 GAR and 2 INF corps. You can see the rest of it next to Chisinau.

After some attempts I begin to agree with you Borger.