Generals and Ambushers

[acl]

1. P 151 allows players to accompany ambushers with (presumably hidden) generals, provided that this is noted when ambush markers are deployed (towards the start of the set-up sequence).

2. Is it also possible to deploy a general openly with (still hidden) ambushers when other generals are deployed (at the end of the set-up sequence)? Eg when generals are being deployed is it ok to place one openly (obviously he couldn't benefit from concealment at that stage) in the middle of a wood, seemingly away from his troops but (when the ambush markers are revealed) actually in touch with a unit which then emerges? Ie is the clause on p 151 exclusive - does it note the only occasion on which a general cd be placed with ambush troops - or is inclusive: allowing generals to be placed in that way (and so benefiting from not having to be openly positioned), but not preventing them from being deployed in the normal way, but happening to be in contact with troops in ambush.

3. If the deployment described in Q2 is allowed, I guess they would be limited to the normal deployment zone - 15"?

I am particularly interested in Q2. For what it is worth, I cannot see anything in the rules to stop a general being deployed in this way, but a more experienced friend thought it wouldn't be allowed.

With thanks in anticipation,

Alan

[AlanCutner]

I can't see any reason why a general cannot be deployed anywhere within the normal deployment zone. If this means they are with ambushers once they are revealed then fair enough.

[petedalby]

If the Commander is within the normal deployment zone then there is clearly no problem - he can almost be wherever you like.

If you wish to deploy a Commander outside the normal deployment area, but within the area allowed for ambushers, then personally I don't think this is permitted unless he is concealed in Ambush with a BG.

[acl]

Thanks both for your help with this. For what it is worth (because I don't know the rules well) this is what I thought too.

With thanks,

Alan

[philqw78]

For a general to be with a BG he must be placed in edge to edge and corner to corner with it IIRC so when they appear he will have to move to be with them

[acl]

For a general to be with a BG he must be placed in edge to edge and corner to corner with it IIRC so when they appear he will have to move to be with them

That's interesting. If that is the way it is played, it is good to know.

But surely it could be argued that when he was put in the wood he was placed in edge to edge and corner to corner with the BG in ambush? After all, the BG was there all along (it doesn't get air dropped in), but was simply concealed from the other player.

Alan

[philqw78]

Exactly I just gave you one way of reading the rules.

Never seen it played any which way as I've never seen it happen

[bbotus]

For a general to be with a BG he must be placed in edge to edge and corner to corner with it IIRC so when they appear he will have to move to be with them

That's interesting. If that is the way it is played, it is good to know.

But surely it could be argued that when he was put in the wood he was placed in edge to edge and corner to corner with the BG in ambush? After all, the BG was there all along (it doesn't get air dropped in), but was simply concealed from the other player.

Alan

I may not be reading your comments correctly. Just to be clear. For a general to be placed with a BG outside the normal deployment area (up to 15 MU for a general), he must be placed when the ambush is placed.

[acl]

For a general to be with a BG he must be placed in edge to edge and corner to corner with it IIRC so when they appear he will have to move to be with them

That's interesting. If that is the way it is played, it is good to know.

But surely it could be argued that when he was put in the wood he was placed in edge to edge and corner to corner with the BG in ambush? After all, the BG was there all along (it doesn't get air dropped in), but was simply concealed from the other player.

Alan

I may not be reading your comments correctly. Just to be clear. For a general to be placed with a BG outside the normal deployment area (up to 15 MU for a general), he must be placed when the ambush is placed.

That was question 3 of my original post. I think everyone agrees that a general not deployed in ambush must be within the 15 inches. I think Phil was doubting whether he cd be deployed in proper contact with troops within the 15 inches.

Alan

[bbotus]

I think Phil was doubting whether he cd be deployed in proper contact with troops within the 15 inches.

I don't know why not. Just put the general on the ambush marker. We are allow (required) to move the general out of the way by the minimum possible to make way for BGs. So he would have to end up in contact when deployed.

[philqw78]

The main thing is, AFAIAC, that if somenone did playing against me I'd be happy. I'd know he didn't have a flank march and the general is being quite useless where he is until the ambush is revealed

[dave_r]

The main thing is, AFAIAC, that if somenone did playing against me I'd be happy. I'd know he didn't have a flank march and the general is being quite useless where he is until the ambush is revealed

There's nothing to stop the general moving away in the JAP

[philqw78]

And moving in the JAP slowly, as if he is in ambush he will normally be in delaying terrain.