Panzer Corps 2 World Championship - Official thread (1st round starting on September 15)

[jamjam]

hello, little post to complain again about the rating system ^^

Since the beginning of the tournament, I had the chance to come across opponents who finished their games. But for this round, my opponent (Alexchang) hasn't played for two weeks and we are currently in round 8/15. The game was clearly starting to turn in my favor on both sides.I don't presume of Alexchang's intentions an impediment does not allow him to connect or simply if he decided to stop playing to not lose..

In fact, in three days my score will not have changed, all victory hex points, all destroyed units and the 500 points will not be allocated to me.

This problem of people stopping playing is really frustrating. The recent implementation of 500 victory points makes it even more frustrating knowing that it does not only depend on you but also on the goodwill of your opponent...

Is it not possible to install a timer like in chess ? in order to be able to play their turn without the opponent having taken theirs or simply allocating points once this timer has passed.

the disadvantage of this problem associated with the Swiss tournament system is that my general ranking drops and that necessarily I risk falling on an opponent with the same bad intentions (indeed this kind of behavior is not found at the top of the table) . The worst would be to fall against Alexchang...

I agree. I'm in the same boat this round, well ahead in both legs. However in the previous round I was well and truly stuffed and it's difficult to get the motivation to continue especially when you know that if you do you'll get less points. Much to my own shame , I didn't finish 1 leg.

I think the chess timer is a good idea and could work along these lines..

21 days to complete each leg = 504 hours total. Ecah player should have half that time = 252 hours. Each time your opponent finishes their turn the timer starts to accumulate hours against you. When this goes over 252hours you get penalised for each hour. I would suggest 10 points deducted for each hour .

Loss of points should be motivating enough not to delay too much.

[Matze65]

hello, little post to complain again about the rating system ^^

Since the beginning of the tournament, I had the chance to come across opponents who finished their games. But for this round, my opponent (Alexchang) hasn't played for two weeks and we are currently in round 8/15. The game was clearly starting to turn in my favor on both sides.I don't presume of Alexchang's intentions an impediment does not allow him to connect or simply if he decided to stop playing to not lose..

In fact, in three days my score will not have changed, all victory hex points, all destroyed units and the 500 points will not be allocated to me.

This problem of people stopping playing is really frustrating. The recent implementation of 500 victory points makes it even more frustrating knowing that it does not only depend on you but also on the goodwill of your opponent...

Is it not possible to install a timer like in chess ? in order to be able to play their turn without the opponent having taken theirs or simply allocating points once this timer has passed.

the disadvantage of this problem associated with the Swiss tournament system is that my general ranking drops and that necessarily I risk falling on an opponent with the same bad intentions (indeed this kind of behavior is not found at the top of the table) . The worst would be to fall against Alexchang...

Well, you were really lucky.
My opponent stopped after only 4 moves. His last turn was on 06.02!
So far in this tournament I have been able to finish 3 rounds completely. In the other two rounds I was only 2 - 3 rounds short of the end - for free. But this round is really the crowning glory!
But your suggestion is good. But I have my doubts whether this will be implemented in this tournament.
I hope we have more luck in the next round.

[Skipper42]

Same issue here... We are in the middle of the match, I've torn down the defense of my opponent and in the next turn I would be starting to capture his victory hexes, but... My opponent (exmil11) stopped playing. It's frustrating, because it was an interesting match so far...

[Trepko]

Quite weird: I've just finished (and won) my axis side on turn 14, and I've had the same error message as many had on Round 5 ("can't upload the game, instance already finished" etc...). However, as I checked the scoreboard, I did get the points for my victory (remaining points + 500 winning points).
So, in the end, it seems there is no problem but the devs have to be aware that this error message still occurs, and is still frightening at first sight...

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[Pink1y]

hello, little post to complain again about the rating system ^^

Since the beginning of the tournament, I had the chance to come across opponents who finished their games. But for this round, my opponent (Alexchang) hasn't played for two weeks and we are currently in round 8/15. The game was clearly starting to turn in my favor on both sides.I don't presume of Alexchang's intentions an impediment does not allow him to connect or simply if he decided to stop playing to not lose..

In fact, in three days my score will not have changed, all victory hex points, all destroyed units and the 500 points will not be allocated to me.

This problem of people stopping playing is really frustrating. The recent implementation of 500 victory points makes it even more frustrating knowing that it does not only depend on you but also on the goodwill of your opponent...

Is it not possible to install a timer like in chess ? in order to be able to play their turn without the opponent having taken theirs or simply allocating points once this timer has passed.

the disadvantage of this problem associated with the Swiss tournament system is that my general ranking drops and that necessarily I risk falling on an opponent with the same bad intentions (indeed this kind of behavior is not found at the top of the table) . The worst would be to fall against Alexchang...

Hi Marc,

We are both in the same boat, I panicked about a computer issue that I had and moved heaven and earth to get it resolved, but for no responding turns.

Ian

[tkrysiak]

Quite weird: I've just finished (and won) my axis side on turn 14, and I've had the same error message as many had on Round 5 ("can't upload the game, instance already finished" etc...). However, as I checked the scoreboard, I did get the points for my victory (remaining points + 500 winning points).
So, in the end, it seems there is no problem but the devs have to be aware that this error message still occurs, and is still frightening at first sight...


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Yup, the error is still in place but now points are getting assigned. Few of us got it as well and everyone I know received the points. Still, was a scary few minutes when I seen the popup again

[Trepko]

With 6th round finished, it might be the right time to recall to the devs one strong wish many of us have:

=> we would really appreciate the possibility to join the games at any time, even when it is not our turn (at least in the deployment phase). Deploying first as attacker without seeing the defenser's PoV is similar to try to land an aircraft with your eyes closed.

In my 3 previous rounds, I had the chance to play with gentlemen, and we found an arrangement so it would be equal to both of us (we joined at the same time one game so player 1 could see the defensive side, and then we joined the other game so player 2 could also see the defensive side. And only after that we deployed as attacker in our respective game). But it is quite painfull, takes much time, and require to have both players available at the same time (not easy if we're not living on the same continent for example).

[Morrok]

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Strongly agree- a lot of players are just waiting until the second side starts deploying as attacker, so they can see where the defenders are placed. In planning where the main forces have to strike it's a huge advantage.

[AntoineBertschy]

Bonjour,
Lors du round 4 j'ai joué contre evb8, qui est le joueur le plus redoutable que j'aie rencontré durant ce tournoi.
J'ai remarqué qu'il n'a pas terminé sa partie du round 6. Je m'inquiète car il est ukrainien.
Qu'il sache que je suis de tout coeur avec lui et son peuple actuellement. S'il en a l'occasion, j'espère qu'il pourra nous envoyé un message rassurant.
Hello,
In round 4 I played against evb8, who is the toughest player I've encountered in this tournament.
I noticed that he didn't finish his round 6 game. I'm worried because he's Ukrainian.
Let him know that my heart is with him and his people at this time. If he gets the chance, I hope he can send us a reassuring message.

[jimtracyii]

Well just so everyone knows that we are not all getting the points we should be. In my case I have played 6 matches/12 games and only finished 3 games out of 12 so far. Players are simply not finishing the games and the 'Not ready for prime time tournament' software does not give points after a game is done and one of the players has not finished playing, So no points are given for forfeits due to time. The lone exception is if a player does not start the match. I am currently missing roughly 5,000 points and that is a little shy of the actual number. So at this time I am seeing players that have not completed their match with me go above me on the list as I keep falling down the list. In fact one of my opponents who just leaped over me in score was on this thread asking his opponent to try and complete their game. To bad he did not give me the same courtesy and finish our match. So to my next round opponent good luck, as I have hung on as long as possible and I do not think i will be playing any more in this cluster that Slitherine has put on. I might change my mind if someone from Slitherine takes a look at my game files and fixes my score. But in any case good luck to all of you and maybe I might see ya'll in the next tournament if they fix the format. I know counting points is sexy but it is not conducive to a fair tournament, especially one billed as a World Championship.

[Pink1y]

Hi all,

This is my first tournament, and after a few hard lessons I feel like I was finally getting the hang of it, and then I was left hanging!
It's hard to fight your way to a possible victory then have the opponent stop his turns (I hope that person is okay though).

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[PaganCyC]

This is my first tournament, and after a few hard lessons I feel like I was finally getting the hang of it, and then I was left hanging!
It's hard to fight your way to a possible victory then have the opponent stop his turns ...

You won't have to worry about that next match!

[Pink1y]

This is my first tournament, and after a few hard lessons I feel like I was finally getting the hang of it, and then I was left hanging!
It's hard to fight your way to a possible victory then have the opponent stop his turns ...

You won't have to worry about that next match!

Woohoo! Lets dance... After grinding my way past a great opponent like Matze65 to have him overtake me on a technicality is a hard graft

I'm looking forward to the next round, thanks PaganCyC.

Glory to Ukraine!

[royalcid]

In round 4 I played against evb8, who is the toughest player I've encountered in this tournament.
I noticed that he didn't finish his round 6 game. I'm worried because he's Ukrainian.
Let him know that my heart is with him and his people at this time. If he gets the chance, I hope he can send us a reassuring message.

This time my opponent is evb8 and he has not yet appeared... but that's alright and my heart ist with him and his people, too.
Some things are more important. I guess "wargaming" is hard to explain in general and more so these days... but at least it is only gaming.

Glory to Ukraine!

[Lifever]

Why is there no movement at the top?

MOVE YOU LAGGARDS

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On another note

It is dramatic that Rishat, our hands-down favourite esports athlete from Russia, matched up against ebv8 from Ukraine, and both lost contact to the tournament since. It reminds me a lot of the crazy stuff that happened throughout the last great Panzer Corps tournament and lets me think both of them find back to the table and can laugh it off later as another chapter in the deep rooted story beyond this tournament format. Its international appeal is what sets it apart.

It is also dramatic that there is some sort of war going on in Europe. Frankly though I meet this as a realist - there is always war in some part of the world. Just that it is closer to my remote location on planet earth, doesn't change its significance. It is as pathetic and unneccessary as any other war forged by socially incompetent and greedy people or even worse - people with a negative agenda. The only siginificane will be the consequences faced upon all of us out of this poorly handled incident.

It is as unnecessary as calling Panzer Corps Wargaming. You remember the good old days when First Person Shooters were Shoot em ups? Then they evolved to Shooters. Why did they change the tag over time? - Yeah, because what it essentially is, is pathetic. It is shooting other people in the face for fun in a game for kids. So calling it that looks bad in a context of portraited political correctness - result FPS.
Why then would anybody call Panzer Corps Wargaming, when it is - especially in multiplayer in a SOLID tournament format - strategy esports or hex strategy.

I don't play war and I hope few people do. I play a hex game that happens to be in the context of world war II, which makes it more interesting because it is real history and the most significant, most vicious war incident in our society. So there is a lot to learn all around - also in terms of the different cultures you encounter throughout the tournaments progress.

In that sense - let's not forget that some of the most revered players are Russians. Russians have been the salt of the earth in this community - often as formidable and tenacious foes. I always loved their dedication and have still contact with some of them after years of not playing together, same as with - funny enough - at least one guy from Ukraine, who I personally had filed under "Western-Russian" for a solid part of my life like Austria and Germany. He educated me on that. He is also a stupendous hex general. Now it is hip in some part of this world to cheer for Ukraine - like they ever gave a damn about Ukraine in the first place. Why are they so poor if the West was so into helping poor Ukraine for twenty years straight? I think hex strategy players should be held to the same standard as any other thinking men society.

Thinking man or no thinking man:
Now how would any here feel, if a couple of years ago somebody had blasted "Glory of Afghanistan" in a context of our beloved Panzer Corps tournament? Wouldn't it rub you the wrong way?
Now put yourself in the shoes of a Russian player reading "Glory to Ukraine". Wouldn't he be bewildered or appaled and possibly leave the game table?
What for?

There is no cheering in war. Because humans fail to learn
The winners will be the ones that didn't participate

[Trepko]

Why is there no movement at the top?

MOVE YOU LAGGARDS

Well, I would be glad to !
Unfortunately, it seems that we need to be 2 players to play a game

[DukeBannon]

What is the most expedient and proper way to leave the tournament? My situation has changed and I am finding it difficult to commit the time needed to continue. I don't want to be one of those folks who just stops showing up but if that's the correct way to leave then that's what I'll do.

[DMcCooey206]

Is there a way to concede a Round of play and provide your opponent full remaining points? I think this would be good, and would make it more enjoyable for me to keep grinding and playing. Some of the Battles are fun for me. Some are total disasters, because I'm not willing to put in the effort do scrap my starting forces and then replace them with a better combination of forces. To be able to win v a good player. This is Not fun for me.

[Brausebad]

Is there a way to concede a Round of play and provide your opponent full remaining points? I think this would be good, and would make it more enjoyable for me to keep grinding and playing. Some of the Battles are fun for me. Some are total disasters, because I'm not willing to put in the effort do scrap my starting forces and then replace them with a better combination of forces. To be able to win v a good player. This is Not fun for me.

If I interpret the results between StuG_Tutor and Marsla correctly, the submit button seems to work. Please reconsider your decision from round to round because it would be a shame to lose more interested players.

[DMcCooey206]

... but once again because of slightly laggy connection ...

Your connection to the internet has nothing to do with the issue you describe. Could be your mouse, could be the speed of your computer, the amount of RAM, perhaps something else. But your mouse clicks are not sent to the server.

I think you are right, it could be my mouse or my speed of my computer, or whatever makes Multiplayer games slower on the game then single player. So what occurs a few times now is unit's move in an unwanted fashion following an attack, but it only happens in Multi=player. And it's basically too annoying to live with in a turn based game.