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Red Dawn campaign (2023)

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I had not played Panzer Corps for years and decided recently to have a look at it and my old campaigns. I was surprised by how much fun the game still is and that even this campaign was a challenge. That is why I decided to re-release it with a few (surprisingly few!) changes to make sure everything works.

The Red Dawn campaign is predicated on the assumption that the Japanese surrendered after the atomic bomb was dropped on Hiroshima. That would give the US another ready atomic bomb to use elsewhere. Although he probably suspected it, Stalin was not told by President Truman about the US weapon until the Potsdam conference. This campaign assumes that the conference does not occur because Stalin attacks before it and the war continues with new antagonists - the Soviets. It is up to the US player to push the Soviets out of Germany and eastern Europe and into Soviet territory. There the might of the Enola Gay, this time armed with 'Fat Man', will convince Stalin to make peace. If the US army is competently led.

Setup
There are two components to the Red Dawn Campaign - the campaign files and the data files. Each should be copied to these locations, retaining their folder structure:
Campaign files - Red Dawn campaign - go in the [User folder]\My Documents\My Games\Panzer Corps\Mods folder.
Data files - Red Dawn data- go in the [SteamLibrary]\steamapps\common\Panzer Corps\Mods folder.
Use the Generic Mod Enabler (jsgme_setup.exe included in campaign download) to swap in and out the relevant data files for Maelstrom (Europe). See here for more GME help.

To play
Open Panzer Corps and click New Game, then the More campaigns folder on the right and finally, 1944-45 Red Dawn.

Difficulty settings
Of course, these are up to you but I tested the campaign with the following settings:
Colonel, all Game Settings ON
Advanced - standard diffuclty settings, AI level 1, New (1.20) game rules, Limited randomness, and Reform Units ON.

The first mini-scenario is simply to decide whether you want to start with a pre-made OOB or choose you own units.

I have opened a new thread rather than add to the (very) old campaign thread and will do my best to answer any questions.

My main hope is that you enjoy Red Dawn. Cheers.
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Re: Red Dawn campaign (2023)

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Stalin always knew about the treachery of his Western allies ) And Operation Unthinkable is the plan of the West ) The fact that Stalin wanted to occupy Paris is an invention of all sorts of dreamers like the late Russophobe Tom Clancy :)
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In 1940, France and England dreamed of bombing the oil fields of Baku and eventually bombed each other)))

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In the end, we can say only one thing: with such friends and enemies, there is no need. It is always necessary to remember the words from the speech in the English House of Commons on March 1, 1958 of the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Prime Minister of Great Britain, Viscount Henry John Temple Palmerston, which are often attributed to W. Churchill: "We have no eternal allies and we have no permanent enemies; our interests are eternal and permanent. It is our duty to protect these interests."
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Can I play for the USSR ? )


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Re: Red Dawn campaign (2023)

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A very interesting idea but it would require a whole new campaign. The Soviet player would be expected to win, so I can't just 'reverse' each scenario. Hmmm, brain cogs turning...
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Re: Red Dawn campaign (2023)

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El_Condoro wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:18 am A very interesting idea but it would require a whole new campaign. The Soviet player would be expected to win, so I can't just 'reverse' each scenario. Hmmm, brain cogs turning...
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I played your piece ! So the Soviet company should also be it will be fair :)
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Re: Red Dawn campaign (2023)

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bondjamesbond wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:08 am
Stalin always knew about the treachery of his Western allies )
Stalin does not have much ground to complain about the treachery of his allies, considering he was consistently the person to stab first. Turns out that untrusting, untrustworthy dictators subscribing to a messianic ideology that called for world conquest aren't the most liked.
bondjamesbond wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:08 amAnd Operation Unthinkable is the plan of the West )
Correct, but it remained a plan. And specifically one made in contingency of the Soviets violating Yalta.

Which is particularly relevant because if you look at the time frame for developing it, a lot of it was in response to things such as the Soviet crackdown on the Baltic States and especially the Polish Underground Government following the collapse of Operation Burza in 1944. And even in the few areas where the national Polish uprising went more or less as planned like Vilnius and the AK and Soviet Military fought side by side to defeat the Germans, the Soviets promptly turned around and purged the Polish Home Army leadership while conscripting or purging the rank and file.

And that's before I talk about matters such as intensive spying in the West. Igor Gouzenko's defection to Canada is perhaps the most infamous case, but I remember researching that in late 1940 the Soviets leaked to the Germans that the US had broken Japanese Cyphers. Which fortunately the Japanese don't seem to have acted on, something my Grandfather who served in the Pacific might have owed his life to.
bondjamesbond wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:08 amThe fact that Stalin wanted to occupy Paris is an invention of all sorts of dreamers like the late Russophobe Tom Clancy :)
By "invention of all sorts of dreamers" you mean "openly propagandized and secretly planned"?

There were a few reasons why the Soviet war planning largely excluded Paris and a number of other French cities from high priority for strikes as late as 1979, and why the dream of bringing "Scientific Socialism" to the birthplace of Marx and the place of the Paris Commune were not exactly hidden.
bondjamesbond wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:08 amIn 1940, France and England dreamed of bombing the oil fields of Baku
As a direct result of the Soviet Union aligning with Nazi Germany, invading Poland and a host of other countries in concert with it, and using oil transports from Baku to fill export quotas to the Reich, helping to fuel the German war machine that overran much of Europe.

A little context, shall we say, goes a long way.
bondjamesbond wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:08 amand eventually bombed each other)))
Quite true.
bondjamesbond wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:08 amIn the end, we can say only one thing: with such friends and enemies, there is no need. It is always necessary to remember the words from the speech in the English House of Commons on March 1, 1958 of the Minister of Foreign Affairs and Prime Minister of Great Britain, Viscount Henry John Temple Palmerston, which are often attributed to W. Churchill: "We have no eternal allies and we have no permanent enemies; our interests are eternal and permanent. It is our duty to protect these interests."
Which is quite true. Which is where it becomes important to touch on when one side views its interests as being in global revolution. Which often caused a number of Soviet mishaps, like Christian Rakovsky thanking the French for their agreements with the USSR by going on a rant calling for the French workers to take power from their owners.

https://www.jstor.org/stable/41055884
bondjamesbond wrote: Sat Feb 18, 2023 11:08 amCan I play for the USSR ? )
Not at present, though you could manually rip the scenarios out and put them in the scenario folder so you could play on either side.

It'd be kind of cool to be honest. Even as a staunch anti-Communist hardliner, more freedom and flexibility is rarely unwelcome.
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Re: Red Dawn campaign (2023)

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The scenarios played individually would need a lot of tweaking and balancing. The Soviets are beefed up a lot to compensate for the AI.
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Re: Red Dawn campaign (2023)

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Refrain from arguing politics ) Just still need a Soviet company ;) It's just not necessary to write in the plot that the motivation for a Soviet fighter is the fear of being in the Gulag))) Less tick and cranberry friends: vodka, balalaika and bears are for fools)))
Participation of Soviet partisans in the liberation of Paris in 1944.
IN PARIS DURING THE UPRISING
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Soviet partisans took part in the liberation of the French capital.

As the uprising reached its highest point, the Union of Russian Patriots and Soviet prisoners of war, recently liberated in Fresnes, occupied the former Soviet embassy on rue Grenelle.

After their release, the Soviet POWs sought to raise the flag here that led the Red Army from victory to victory.

"STEVEROV, a Red Army captain, escaped the camp and bravely fought fascism at the head of a group of former Russian POWs in the Resistance, held with his unit the Bridge of Agnères against German tanks for 24 hours (the 17th district of Paris, was occupied by partisans on August 19, a week before the complete liberation of Paris, over this bridge the Germans tried to pull tanks up to drive the partisans out - SD). The group destroyed six German trucks, four cars, and seized large quantities of weapons[1]."
[1] article from France d'abord newspaper No. 63 of September 7, 1944.

On August 26, 1944, enthusiastic crowds converged from all Parisian quarters to the City Hall, where General de Gaulle was about to greet the Resistance fighters, the liberators of Paris. Leaving their headquarters in Rue Galleyre, the Soviet partisans marched through the Champs-Elysées with a banner bearing a greeting for General de Gaulle. After crossing the Place Concorde on the approach to the statue of Joan of Arc, they were fired upon. Hitler and the collaborators on the rooftops were enraged at the sight of the Soviet flag. "L'Humanite" of August 27, 1944 describes the defile of the Soviet group in this way:

"The group of Soviet prisoners of war, who had survived the horror of the German camps, who had escaped and taken part in the Resistance movements, accompanied by members of the Union of Russian Patriots of France, were marching in unceasing shouts of joy, cheers and pride in France. The Soviet flag was flying proudly at the head of a group of two young Soviets who had been fighting in France for two years, carrying a banner with the words: "Soviet POWs hail General de Gaulle, friend of our Fatherland!

The red banner was greeted with enthusiasm by the public, who cried out unceasingly:

"Glory to the Russians! Glory to the Soviet Union! Glory to the Red Army!"

Leaving their headquarters on Rue Galleyre, the group with the Soviet flag headed toward the City Hall. As they approached the Tuileries, the bandits from the Fifth Column began shooting at our Soviet brothers. The shots came from the side of the houses still occupied by the Bosch. The crowd mingled. With admirable equanimity, the Soviet POWs, proudly raising the red banner, turned back into the adjoining streets at the order of the Resistance command.

During the commotion, a young artillery lieutenant, who had been imprisoned in a camp in Ukraine, then in Poland, then in forced labor for the Germans in France, picked up the flag that had fallen from the wounded demonstrator's hands and held it over the protesters' heads until the end of the march.

Fearless under bullets in Paris, and just as heroic on the German-Soviet front, the sons of the country of socialism strengthened our country's alliance with the Great Soviet Union yesterday."
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Paris is not Stalingrad , so Operation Unthinkable would have turned into the Third World War !
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Re: Red Dawn campaign (2023)

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El_Condoro wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 8:01 pm The scenarios played individually would need a lot of tweaking and balancing. The Soviets are beefed up a lot to compensate for the AI.
Agreed. Though I do still have access to one old MP file that is balanced for it. Something about "The Evil Empire Strikes Back." Not sure if it is up to date or not, but it was nice.

I also vaguely remember another MP scenario for this mod IIRC, but I don't quite remember? I am pretty sure it took place further East in Germany itself, WA vs. USSR.

Or maybe I am misremembering?
bondjamesbond wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:52 pm Refrain from arguing politics )
Fair, but I can say the same to you.
bondjamesbond wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:52 pm Just still need a Soviet company ;)
That'd work quite fine as well. And there's a lot of material for it. While I am a proud Western Capitalist pigdog I will freely admit the Soviets did a lot and there's plenty of room for fun. I still play the old "Russia at War" Mod and there is something incredible hoisting the red flag over Rome and Stockholm.

I also briefly considered something like an "FTL-style" campaign, sort of an 1812-in-reverse, with Soviet forces suffering a reversal in Central Europe having to slowly retreat Eastwards in the late 40s or 50s to a regrouping position, fighting off not only against Western Allied regulars nipping at their heels or but also enemy guerillas, anywhere from the Polish Home Army to Iron Guardists that didn't get the memo to go to Hades yet, as well as the periodic SAS or OSS team.

Good games can transcend politics, and be fun for all. We wouldn't be playing a game centered around the Third Reich if it wasn't.

bondjamesbond wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:52 pm It's just not necessary to write in the plot that the motivation for a Soviet fighter is the fear of being in the Gulag))) Less tick and cranberry friends: vodka, balalaika and bears are for fools)))
Maybe, but there is plenty of room for a plot. I remember the Taman Warriors campaign did it decently. And of course if the Western Allies were bloody minded or dumb enough to attack unprovoked it would be good motivation.

Which is a shame. Might be interesting to see them in a Paris Uprising scenario.
bondjamesbond wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:52 pm
Paris is not Stalingrad , so Operation Unthinkable would have turned into the Third World War !
Indeed, and God knows how that would be hellish. And while most people (understandably) focus on it in Europe it would've extended far beyond that. Iran is an obvious flash point, likewise China and Korea.
bondjamesbond wrote: Sun Feb 19, 2023 10:52 pm I hope someday a mod will be created about the war in Korea 1950-53 on the Panzer Corps
Here here. That has been a constant dream of mine. It'd work well both for "normal" campaigns and for a kind of Grand Strategy one.
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The Almighty Turtle wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 5:36 am Agreed. Though I do still have access to one old MP file that is balanced for it. Something about "The Evil Empire Strikes Back." Not sure if it is up to date or not, but it was nice.
Yes, you're right - I am in the process of hot-seating it to make sure it has at least some balance and will then release it.
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El_Condoro wrote: Tue Feb 21, 2023 10:05 am Yes, you're right - I am in the process of hot-seating it to make sure it has at least some balance and will then release it.
Makes sense. Was my memory correct in remembering another Maelstrom MP scenario?
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I can't find it anywhere on this board but in the dim recesses of my memory I think I might have done an MP of 'Unleash the Bear' where the Soviets attack soon after taking Berlin. I think it would make a good MP scenario, so I will probably work on that after 'Evil Empire'.
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El_Condoro wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 5:21 am I can't find it anywhere on this board but in the dim recesses of my memory I think I might have done an MP of 'Unleash the Bear' where the Soviets attack soon after taking Berlin. I think it would make a good MP scenario, so I will probably work on that after 'Evil Empire'.
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Water cannon at the Berlin Wall, 1961. Photo: Bundesarchive / Helmut J. Wolf / CC-BY-SA 3.0
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The headquarters game Padron, conducted during the Berlin crisis of 1948 by the American military command, clearly showed that the United States would not be able to win the war against the USSR even by using nuclear bombardment. In the event of an armed clash with the Soviet Union, American troops needed to be evacuated from Europe within two weeks. This intention was strictly classified as a potential enemy, and from allies.

Leaked information about the results of the headquarters game, and the United States would have lost the opportunity to blackmail the USSR with the threat of an atomic attack.
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I am unsure what you mean in that post script but please remember your own request to not politicise this thread. To be clear, any scenario or campaign that I create with this hyperthetical basis will be completely ahistorical and void of any comment on the military abilities of the historical forces and definitely not a comment on the current world.
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El_Condoro wrote: Wed Feb 22, 2023 7:53 am I am unsure what you mean in that post script but please remember your own request to not politicise this thread. To be clear, any scenario or campaign that I create with this hyperthetical basis will be completely ahistorical and void of any comment on the military abilities of the historical forces and definitely not a comment on the current world.
It 's all right , it 's just that this Terminator ass first wrote his stupid remark , then erased it ! Not what kind of politics let it be like in the TV series Sliding ;)
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