Morris vs Joe Rock

[Morris]

I think the danger can come from the south as well since Joe is clearing up Italy now. That means the Allies can press towards Munich and flank the Siegfried line.

It actually doesn't matter if the Germans push the Allied units in France all the way to Brest if the Allies break through in the center. Once Hamburg and Berlin fall the Germans will surrender.

If Morris can quickly dispose of the Allied units in France and then rail the panzers back to Germany to deal with the southern Allied units and the Russian units then I think Morris can actually win.

It's interesting to know how many German units are destroyed each turn and what is the Axis production now.

Axis can not bring the troops back from western France now , the Compaign there still not finish . But it seems Allies also need at least five turns to walk through Alps ( even no defence there & just walk through ) .

In the west , 2 kingtiger killed by US tac's bomb . Axis production is above 100 .

[Morris]

I don't think a push from the south will be possible in due time as the Allies will have to move through the Alps and can easily be blocked with a few ground units (even GAR) to avoid that they advance to quickly. I think Morris is in a good position to win the game now as the Allies will not be able to push into Germany from the west and south before the bad weather period, i.e. Morriss can direct his best units to the eastern front.

Joe Rocks only chance would be major breakthrough in the east before the weather will make movement difficult and luck with the weather in autumn/winter 1944/1945

You are quite right ! The most danger for Axis is the Soviet ! & because of the west compaign , the east front have to defence the position without any aircover ! It is miserable time for them ! But they still hold the line with blood .

[richardsd]

I think the danger can come from the south as well since Joe is clearing up Italy now. That means the Allies can press towards Munich and flank the Siegfried line.

It actually doesn't matter if the Germans push the Allied units in France all the way to Brest if the Allies break through in the center. Once Hamburg and Berlin fall the Germans will surrender.

If Morris can quickly dispose of the Allied units in France and then rail the panzers back to Germany to deal with the southern Allied units and the Russian units then I think Morris can actually win.

It's interesting to know how many German units are destroyed each turn and what is the Axis production now.

Axis can not bring the troops back from western France now , the Compaign there still not finish . But it seems Allies also need at least five turns to walk through Alps ( even no defence there & just walk through ) .

In the west , 2 kingtiger killed by US tac's bomb . Axis production is above 100 .

if Morris does end up losing this (which is not where my money is) it will be because of the mistake letting the Allies ashore in the west in 43, without that I think the Axis would win hands down. The other issue the Axis has is they could run out of operational space as there isn't much room bewteen their defense line and Berlin, I am also sure Joe will have something planned for the Baltic coast!

Some nice touches from Joe on display as well. Interesting finish

[Peter Stauffenberg]

I've been at the receiving end of Joerock grinding down my Axis forces. It's easy to keep him in check until you reach a critical number of units. Once you fall below it then he will roll you up.

I think Joe's main agenda now is to grind down Axis units turn after turn until this critical minimum is reached. The Axis will build new units to counter and that will drain the manpower. When it falls below 50 the Axis will hurt.

Morris can build about 3 corps units per turn now. Repairs on air and armor units will be expensive. In the east the Russians are far from broken, although they don't seem very strong either. Once Joe has enough tanks and tac bombers I think Morris will see he can steamroll towards Berlin and Hamburg. It won't happen yet, but can happen in a few turns.

I think the best way the Axis can win is to delay the critical number of units until the winter hits. Then Joe can't take advantage of holes in the defense line. The fair weather can come as late as March 1945 and then it could be too late for Allied victory.

I think the weather can play a big role in who will eventually win this game. Fair weather in February 1945 and in November 1944 can help Joe a lot.

What we all can say is that Morris has shown he has enough forces left to fight to the very end and Joe must play at his best to snatch victory. Even if he does he might not succeed if the weather is not with him. So kudos to Morris for giving Joe such a hard fight and kudos to Joe for being able to turn the game the way he did. Most players would have crumbled when the Germans stood just outside Omsk.

I noticed this game is using the old map and that means there are no passes through the Alps. That means it can be harder to cross the Alps. In the current version there are several passes (rough instead of mountain) through the Alps. Some in Switzerland and one in Austria (Brenner pass).

[Peter Stauffenberg]

I agree that Joe probably needs to make an amphibious landing in the Baltic to win. He needs to put Hamburg under pressure. He can land the western Allies in Denmark and the Russians east of Kiel. He needs to time the invasion carefully. If he does it too early then the panzers will crush the beachheads. Too late and he won't reach Hamburg in time. Again the weather will determine a lot. He needs fair weather in central Europe to land the invaders.

So far we haven't seen the Russian paras. I believe they can play a major role in crushing the eastern front. As long as Morris has a double defense line there is no need in using them, but once the cracks in the defens eline start then the paras can attack from the rear and break the line. One way of using the paras is to land them adjacent to Luftwaffe bases and hit them.

Morris lost 2 armor units to tactical bombers in 1 turn. If you do the math you see that the German panzers in France won't last long until they're all dead. They're within range of the bombers. So the panzers are giving Morris some turns of time and for that they're probably worth sacrificing. If most of the fair weather battles in 1944 take place in France it means Joe will reach the Siegfried line during bad weather at the end of 1944. Then he won't get across. That shows again the need to make an amphibious landing close to Hamburg. The Russians will take Berlin for sure, but they won't reach Hamburg without an amphibious landing.

Isn't it fun when nobody can say for sure who will be he winner less than 1 year before the end?

[Morris]

I've been at the receiving end of Joerock grinding down my Axis forces. It's easy to keep him in check until you reach a critical number of units. Once you fall below it then he will roll you up.

I think Joe's main agenda now is to grind down Axis units turn after turn until this critical minimum is reached. The Axis will build new units to counter and that will drain the manpower. When it falls below 50 the Axis will hurt.

Morris can build about 3 corps units per turn now. Repairs on air and armor units will be expensive. In the east the Russians are far from broken, although they don't seem very strong either. Once Joe has enough tanks and tac bombers I think Morris will see he can steamroll towards Berlin and Hamburg. It won't happen yet, but can happen in a few turns.

I think the best way the Axis can win is to delay the critical number of units until the winter hits. Then Joe can't take advantage of holes in the defense line. The fair weather can come as late as March 1945 and then it could be too late for Allied victory.

I think the weather can play a big role in who will eventually win this game. Fair weather in February 1945 and in November 1944 can help Joe a lot.

What we all can say is that Morris has shown he has enough forces left to fight to the very end and Joe must play at his best to snatch victory. Even if he does he might not succeed if the weather is not with him. So kudos to Morris for giving Joe such a hard fight and kudos to Joe for being able to turn the game the way he did. Most players would have crumbled when the Germans stood just outside Omsk.

I noticed this game is using the old map and that means there are no passes through the Alps. That means it can be harder to cross the Alps. In the current version there are several passes (rough instead of mountain) through the Alps. Some in Switzerland and one in Austria (Brenner pass).

I am so happy when I read the words " Kudos to Morris " from your comment ! It is almost the best prize for me to gain such a praise from you ,my professor !
Even if I will lose the game , I will never forget your encourage during this pbem !

BTW , I will try my best to give Joe a tough fight as hard as possible ! So If Joe will win , it will be a great victory . If he will lose , it will be a great failure . If we play a draw ,we both win !

[Morris]

Isn't it fun when nobody can say for sure who will be he winner less than 1 year before the end?

If there will be a draw , nobody can say for sure who will be he winner even in Mar 1945

[Morris]

June 6th 1944 fair


It was D day ! but in this pbem we are continue our Manstein yellow plan . We swept most the units around Rennes . One INF is lucke for one step left . They will go back to report the terrible story happened in the front . We kill one Mech ,2 INF(one is one step left) & 2 paras . We lost another kingtiger . The rest of the allies retreat back to the Brest area & the fortress like Nante . It seems our mission of yellow plan is almost accomplished. Totally ,there are 8 mech ,9INFs & 2paras killed . ( 70% of them are English). We lost 3 arm & 1 FTR . We drive the Allies troop from Paris to Brest . We do know they will come back soon .But it will need time & be careful of another yellow plan. Manstein is promoted to Marshal ! He is waiting for the opportunity to show his super ability of counter attack .

In the east , Russians made several breakthrough , we tried our best to fix some of them by bloody fight . After the yellow plan , the eastern group will receive reinforcement . But Now ,they have to hold like stone !

Rome will fall , but who care .


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Sorry I just found I forgot the eastern screenshot after moves . but you will find it next turn ,

[Morris]

june 26th 1944 fair

In the west , Allies rest troops run to Brest area . So we retreat to the position where we launched yellow plan .

In the east , Soviet made several breakthrough & kill 3 INFs . We try our best to fix the position . Our soldiers are so brave ! They continue to defence their fatherland without airsupport for almost two months . Next turn Luftwaffe will come to east front to help them .


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[Morris]

could anyone advise how to make a poll ?

[Schnurri]

Just start a new topic and you have the option to create a poll.

[Peter Stauffenberg]

Withdrawing the panzers in France out of the Allied bomber range is probably a good idea. Now Joe has to be very careful moving back east. He doesn't have that many turns until the bad weather begins. I don't see him crossing the Rhine before 1945.

[Peter Stauffenberg]

There aren't many Russian guard units. Have you destroyed many of them?

[Morris]

There aren't many Russian guard units. Have you destroyed many of them?

since we didnot choose the option of purchase guards , so He has to get guards by fight ( not including the Siberian Guards) . Most of his troops are new & still have no fight experience , the one who has experienced were probably killed by the lvl 20 SS mech & lvl 14 INFs . BTW , I have destroyed 2 guards . So maybe few left .

[Morris]

Withdrawing the panzers in France out of the Allied bomber range is probably a good idea. Now Joe has to be very careful moving back east. He doesn't have that many turns until the bad weather begins. I don't see him crossing the Rhine before 1945.

Thanks for your affirmative ! Joe must be very careful this time . He won't give me another same opportunity !

[Morris]

Just start a new topic and you have the option to create a poll.

What should I do now ? after I fill in the blank of the poll option , I did not find a button to submit .

[Schnurri]

I see one.

[Morris]

I see one.

which one ? the one above is the "submit " of the post reply . I tried to point it , but it ask me to fill in the topic & content of the message .

[Schnurri]

I just did it with no problem - think you need to create a new thread and not embed in old thread.

[Morris]

I just did it with no problem - think you need to create a new thread and not embed in old thread.

Yes , I make it as your way ! Thanks a lot !