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Christmas Quiz

Post by philqw78 »

To make this more Christmassy I have used red and white in my diagramatical poser
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Red is whats left of a dailami BG. Solid red is Armd MF Sw, checked is LF naked
Green are 2 BG of Aztec heroes armed with iron shattering glass clubs. Prot MF Sw

The Dailami are also fragemented. What dice and POA's do the dailami get?
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Post by rogerg »

No rule book with me, but I like a quiz.
Solid red gets 1 dice initially, checked gets 1 vs the medium foot, (halving for LF) = 2 dice
Fragemented halves that, so 2 ends up as 1 dice.
As far as I am aware, you can pick which base gets the dice, so I would suggest going for the solid red at + for armour
1 dice on plus?

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The prize is still safe.
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Post by LeslieMitchell »

rogerg wrote:No rule book with me, but I like a quiz.
Solid red gets 1 dice initially, checked gets 1 vs the medium foot, (halving for LF) = 2 dice
Fragemented halves that, so 2 ends up as 1 dice.
As far as I am aware, you can pick which base gets the dice, so I would suggest going for the solid red at + for armour
1 dice on plus?

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1 dice

--ve POA
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Post by grahambriggs »

Start out with 3 dice*.

LF lose 1 per 2, so drop one dice. 2 left

Fragmented lose 1 per 2 so down to 1 dice.

Apportion lost dice in proportion to number of bases fighting each enemy BG. So that looks like you lose the single dice against the left hand green BG, and one of the two against the right hand BG.

If there were more dice available you'd bear in mind that the two red bases fighting the BG on the right are on different factros so would lose apportion on a 50:50 ratio. But there's only one dice left.

So I think it's one dice, has to be against the right hand green BG. Red player gets to choose whether the LF fight or the armoured MF.


* unless this is Ruddock in which case he starts with some random number above 12.
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Post by gozerius »

Since you are combining dice you have to use the POA of the least effective, so its 1 die at even POA
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Post by bbotus »

grahambriggs has the right answer. His wording gets to the right place:
Apportion lost dice in proportion to number of bases fighting each enemy BG. So that looks like you lose the single dice against the left hand green BG, and one of the two against the right hand BG.
But I'd reword it to say the Dailami lose the 1st die against the right hand BG and the 2nd against the left. This is because you total up all lost dice and then allocate in proportion to number of bases. That leaves 1 die against the right hand light green BG.

Next we have different POAs against the right hand BG: Naked LF vs prot, swd so the LF are -- for fighting better armor and swd; the MF Dailami would fight at a +, better armor and swd vs swd. (Note: you made it sound like the heros had heavy weapons which would negate the armor but you specifically named swd)
Red player gets to choose whether the LF fight or the armoured MF.
Again we apportion dice to bases fighting at different POAs against the same BG according to number of bases. Since there are 2 bases fighting at different POAs the Dailami player gets to decide in even cases like this.
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Post by grahambriggs »

gozerius wrote:Since you are combining dice you have to use the POA of the least effective, so its 1 die at even POA
Oh yes, good point. So the red dice is rolled against the right hand green unit. Looks like it'll be on a -- POA.
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Post by philqw78 »

Looks like is not an answer
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Post by grahambriggs »

it is one dice at a --
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Post by philqw78 »

So the same answer as Mr Mitchell. Whom only didn't get the prize because he didn't specify who against. Now you've forgotten to specify too.

So I'll be keeping this prize for 2 reasons.

Have a go at Quiz 3 instead.
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Post by bbotus »

So if you aren't declaring any answer completely right, I'd like to know just what you think the exact answer is.
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Post by philqw78 »

1 dice, double minus against light green. Light green gets 3 dice at minus; 2 at double plus; dark green 4 at double plus
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Post by bbotus »

1 dice, double minus against light green
I agree 1 die against light green but why does it have to be the LF that gets the die and not the MF at a +? My reference is page 94 2nd bullet, top of page, Allocating Combat Dice.
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Post by philqw78 »

bbotus wrote:
1 dice, double minus against light green
I agree 1 die against light green but why does it have to be the LF that gets the die and not the MF at a +? My reference is page 94 2nd bullet, top of page, Allocating Combat Dice.
The first sentence top P94 explains. But again is not conclusive as many of the rules aren't. "A dice that is made up ... with different POA's rolls at the worst applicable." .... because it says from different BG, they didn't think it through, also is that enemy or friendly BG? Normally they would not be against different BG, so????????????????????????? It's worth arguing either way as dice are lost in proportion, LF lose a dice first, then lose a dice for fragmented, then lose in proportion to something else, then, etc.

But most importantly its my quiz and the umpires decision is final, dissent means loss of points so you're back on zero points with the rest of the world :wink:

this is in no way any admission of possible wrongness except on the part of the authors
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Post by grahambriggs »

I'll get my pajamas
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:D
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Post by DavidT »

With 1 dice at a -- against nine dice at better POAs why argue - the Dailami have lost anyway and highly likely that it'll be by more than 2 hits :)
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Post by philqw78 »

But the arguments are the best thing about Christmas. If only the rest of my family could wargame
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Post by gozerius »

Never mind.
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