ADT 2025: Asterix's Diadochi Tournament CHALLENGE THREAD

[Asterix_von_TWC]

ARMAGEDON OF SUCCESSORS CHALLENGE THREAD

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Diadochus!

Your former brothers turn on each other, meanwhile the empire begins to crumble and the conquered turn on the conquerors.

The challenges start, as always please post here and PM, also post your XENOS/HETEROGENES declaration (at least 1) here (see below)

HERE IS THE LINK TO THE MASTER TABLES AND MATCHUPS GOOGLE DOCS (SAFE LINK)https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

Thank you for filling up the tournament in just 3 days—your enthusiasm is amazing!

• STARTING CHALLENGES:
  
  Post challenges here and via PM.
  
  HOME teams issue the challenge versus the teams marked H for away next to your name.
  
  Declare at least 1 XENOS/HETEROGENES army in this thread before your game is posted.
  
  Game Settings:
  
  2000 vs 2000 points
  
  30 turns
  
  Map: 48x48, Pot Luck, no rerolls (unless absurd—post screenshot) - REDUCED MAP SIZE FOR ALL SUBSEQUENT GAMES
  
  Terrain must be Potluck and should be kept unless absolutely unplayable.
  
  Ranked preferred, but unranked allowed (note this in challenge)
  
  8 games per player (not 7 due to roster change)
  
  At least 1 auxiliary/XENOS army must be used before a game is launched
  
  Start 4 games by May 30th; finish all by June 19, 2025
  
  Tournament Rules:
  
  Scoring: Win = 3 pts, Draw = 1 pt, Loss = 0. Tiebreakers: point diff → points for → head-to-head
  
  Top 4 enter single-elimination playoffs after league
  
  No-shows (after 3 weeks/no response by June 18) = automatic 3-point award
  
  Always post and PM challenges
  
  XENOS / HETEROGENES ARMIES:
  
  Use of allied forces reflects historical dynamics (e.g., satraps disrupting Macedonian campaigns)
  
  Everyone must use at least one XENOS army during initial 7 games
  
  Max 3 XENOS armies can be used in the league phase (save 4th for playoffs if desired)
  
  Declare which XENOS army you're assigning to which game in the thread
  
  Yes, XENOS vs. XENOS matchups are possible
  
  START DATE:
  Games may begin after May 14th. You'll be notified here and in the results thread once all is ready.
  
  Let the (chaotic) fun begin!
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BELOW ARE THE FINAL ARMIES:

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XENOS/HETEROGENES ARMIES USED: Asterix (Graeco-Bactrians v. Jaerho) * Markleslie (Samnites v. Jaerho)*Karvon (Graeco-Bactrian v. Lauraleik)


MATCHUPS

Next yo your list A means YOU are the away opponent and H means YOU are the home opponent.

REFER to this LINK for matchups in case there are discrepancies which there should not be. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... sp=sharing

*SimonLancaster (ATP) - jaerho (LEO) H - Asterix (CAS) A - rpadilla (PTO) H - gort7078 (EUM) A - markleslie (KRA) H - mberisso (POL) A - EdmondDantes (ARR) H - Brenmusik (ANT) A

*mberisso (POL) - SimonLancaster (ATP) H - BigMantuMan (PHI) H - Egmont (DEM) A - lauraleik (SOG) H - Indibil (LYS) A - Asterix (CAS) H - Karvon (PEI) A - Brenmusik (ANT) H

*Ironclad (PER) - rockmanbob123 (SEL) H - Chris Townsend (PYR) A - Egmont (DEM) H - markleslie (KRA) A - BigMantuMan (PHI) H - rpadilla (PTO) A - Karvon (PEI) H - gort7078 (EUM) A

*markleslie (KRA) - SimonLancaster (ATP) A - Ironclad (PER) H - jaerho (LEO) HX - Chris Townsend (PYR) H - lauraleik (SOG) A - BigMantuMan (PHI) A - rockmanbob123 (SEL) - Egmont (DEM) A

*rockmanbob123 (SEL) - Ironclad (PER) A - Karvon (PEI) A - lauraleik (SOG) H - markleslie (KRA) A - rpadilla (PTO) A - Indibil (LYS) H - Egmont (DEM) H - EdmondDantes (ARR) A

*jaerho (LEO) - SimonLancaster (ATP) A - Indibil (LYS) H - EdmondDantes (ARR) A - markleslie (KRA) AX - Asterix (CAS) HX - Chris Townsend (PYR) H - gort7078 (EUM) H - rpadilla (PTO) A

*EdmondDantes (ARR) - SimonLancaster (ATP) A - jaerho (LEO) H - Asterix (CAS) A - BigMantuMan (PHI) H - Egmont (DEM) H - Indibil (LYS) A - Chris Townsend (PYR) A - rockmanbob123 (SEL) H

*gort7078 (EUM) - SimonLancaster (ATP) H - Asterix (CAS) H - Brenmusik (ANT) A - jaerho (LEO) A - Karvon (PEI) H - Indibil (LYS) A - lauraleik (SOG) A - Ironclad (PER) H

*Karvon (PEI) - mberisso (POL) H - rockmanbob123 (SEL) H - Ironclad (PER) A - gort7078 (EUM) A - BigMantuMan (PHI) A - rpadilla (PTO) H - Chris Townsend (PYR) A - lauraleik (SOG)HX

*BigMantuMan (PHI)- mberisso (POL) A - Brenmusik (ANT) H - Ironclad (PER) A - markleslie (KRA) H - EdmondDantes (ARR) A - Karvon (PEI) H - lauraleik (SOG) AX - Asterix (CAS) H

*Brenmusik (ANT) - mberisso (POL) A - gort7078 (EUM) H - BigMantuMan (PHI) A - Asterix (CAS) H - Chris Townsend (PYR) A - Indibil (LYS) HX - Egmont (DEM) A - SimonLancaster (ATP) H

*Chris Townsend (PYR) - Ironclad (PER) H - markleslie (KRA) A - jaerho (LEO) H - EdmondDantes (ARR) H - Karvon (PEI) H - Brenmusik (ANT) H - Egmont (DEM) A - rpadilla (PTO) A

*Egmont (DEM) - mberisso (POL) H - Ironclad (PER) A - rockmanbob123 (SEL) A - EdmondDantes (ARR) A - Chris Townsend (PYR) H - Brenmusik (ANT) H - Indibil (LYS) A - markleslie (KRA) H

*rpadilla1988 (PTO) - SimonLancaster (ATP) A - Ironclad (PER) H - rockmanbob123 (SEL) H - Karvon (PEI) H - lauraleik (SOG) A - Asterix (CAS) A - jaerho (LEO) H - Chris Townsend (PYR) H

*lauraleik (SOG) - mberisso (POL) A - rockmanbob123 (SEL) A - markleslie (KRA) H - gort7078 (EUM) H - BigMantuMan (PHI) HX - rpadilla (PTO) H - Indibil (LYS) A - Karvon (PEI) AX

*Asterix (CAS) - SimonLancaster (ATP) H - mberisso (POL) A - gort7078 (EUM) A - jaerho (LEO) AX - EdmondDantes (ARR) H - Brenmusik (ANT) A - rpadilla (PTO) H - BigMantuMan (PHI) A

*Indibil (LYS) - mberisso (POL) H - jaerho (LEO) A - rockmanbob123 (SEL) A - EdmondDantes (ARR) HX - gort7078 (EUM) H - Brenmusik (ANT) AX - Egmont (DEM) A - lauraleik (SOG) H

APPOLOGIES as some of you have more HOME games than AWAY games. My first time with this tournament and fixing it would be very difficult due to the random generation which occurred (small coding oversight).

I am posting my first example of a XENOS/HETEROGENES DECLARATION BELOW

Have excellent games and enjoy!

[Asterix_von_TWC]

XENOS/HETEROGENES ARMIES USED:
*Asterix (Graeco-Bactrians v. Jaerho)
* Markleslie (Samnites v. Jaerho)
*Indibil (Roxolani 350-24 allies v. EdmondDantes) AND (Greco-Bactrian 250-153 defence versus BRENMUSIK)
*jaerho (Skythian v. Asterix)
*lauraleik (Roxolani v. BigMantuMan)(

QUESTIONS AND ANSWERS POST (Thank you Simon, Karvon and markleslie for your help!)

I will go editing this over next days so please check back.

Just to clarify things, do I understand this correctly?

1. You don't post the challenge to the MP server and issue passwords till you and your opponent have had the opportunity to sort through the decision tree about which armies are being used.

Not a requirement but an intelligent good practice from one of our great veterans. Well thought of.

2. Either player may opt to fallback on an ally list at any point in the process.

In theory, once the challenge is posted there should be no re-tasking the game (re-tasking or tasking means physically setting up the game challenge on servers). But gentleman's rule apply in our little island of the well-mannered.

3. You must use one ally list at least once.

Correct

4. You can use ally lists a maximum of 3 times.

You can use 3 of the 4 you have been given.

5. ou can use a specific ally list more than once. e.g. I or Karvon used our Graeco-Baktrians they get crossed off.

No, you cannot. Once you commit an allied list it becomes unusable in the tournament.

6. At least one of your posted challenges as Home team must initially be an ally list.

No, no rule there. You can choose an away game as well and just notify your opponent. I will be updating the challenges in the google docs file accordingly and I will be updating the thread above right between matchups and armies.

7. Decision Tree - please follow it.
a) Home team posts army choice via forum and PM
b) Away team posts army choice via forum and PM
c) Home team could opt for switching to ally posting via forum and PM
d) Away team could opt for switching ally posting via forum and PM
e) Home team posts the final challenge to MP server and sends PW using the final army selections.

I will borrow this for QandA, attribute to you and make slight changes according to "the plan"

8. Important - You need to manually set the map size to 48 x 48 as default Very Large is 48 x 32. Likewise, you need to remember to edit the game length to 30 from the default of 24.

9. Do I challenge the H or A teams:

You challenge the teams marked "H" next your names in the matchups - alternatively please check the google doc for greater clarity. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... 1642780978

10. After an ally has been declared, can it be withdrawn? For example, if I respond to your Graeco-Bactrian challenge with the Bithynians, could you then respond by switching back to your Macedonians? And if you did would I be able to switch to my Bosporans?

No. We cannot withdraw are bids, would make an unpleasant distraction in the tournament.

Thank you! Yes

Karvon

[Asterix_von_TWC]

CHALLENGES with (Macedonian 328-321) FOR rpadilla1988 (PTO), EdmondDantes (ARR), SimonLancaster (ATP) going up!

Password: IskenderKebab

I Cassander declare my cousin's twice removed Graeco-Bactrians 250-153 will be used in my game versus JAERHO (LEO)

(I am marking the thread above with an X to denote that JAERHO will have that force facing him when he tasks it)

ALLIED ARMIES CHALLENGES POST

[SimonLancaster]

We only use allies when at home?

You have already set up the game so I guess this is true?

[Asterix_von_TWC]

We only use allies when at home?

You have already set up the game so I guess this is true?

No Simon my friend, you declare allies at any point, home or away, until the challenge is started - to be polite before it is tasked (if you wish I can retask ours since I was getting things going).

[SimonLancaster]

We only use allies when at home?

You have already set up the game so I guess this is true?

No Simon my friend, you declare allies at any point, home or away, until the challenge is started - to be polite before it is tasked (if you wish I can retask ours since I was getting things going).

We have to tell our away opponent our allies before they set up the game..

Correct me if I am wrong also: we have to use three allies in three games out of the eight games. The other games are without allies? We just use one ally once?

[Asterix_von_TWC]

We only use allies when at home?

You have already set up the game so I guess this is true?

No Simon my friend, you declare allies at any point, home or away, until the challenge is started - to be polite before it is tasked (if you wish I can retask ours since I was getting things going).

We have to tell our away opponent our allies before they set up the game..

Correct me if I am wrong also: we have to use three allies in three games out of the eight games. The other games are without allies? We just use one ally once?

Thanks for clarifications! You must use allies at least 1 time and a maximum of 3 times (out of 4 allies),

You have to tell your away opponents before YOU set up the game, or declare your XENOS armies before the home team sets up the game when you are away.

[SimonLancaster]

No Simon my friend, you declare allies at any point, home or away, until the challenge is started - to be polite before it is tasked (if you wish I can retask ours since I was getting things going).

We have to tell our away opponent our allies before they set up the game..

Correct me if I am wrong also: we have to use three allies in three games out of the eight games. The other games are without allies? We just use one ally once?

Thanks for clarifications! You must use allies at least 1 time and a maximum of 3 times (out of 4 allies),

You have to tell your away opponents before YOU set up the game, or declare your XENOS armies before the home team sets up the game when you are away.

Why are you setting up our game when you are the away opponent? You just said above that away player sets up?

[Asterix_von_TWC]

We have to tell our away opponent our allies before they set up the game..

Correct me if I am wrong also: we have to use three allies in three games out of the eight games. The other games are without allies? We just use one ally once?

Thanks for clarifications! You must use allies at least 1 time and a maximum of 3 times (out of 4 allies),

You have to tell your away opponents before YOU set up the game, or declare your XENOS armies before the home team sets up the game when you are away.

Why are you setting up our game when you are the away opponent? You just said above that away player sets up?

I understand where you saw wrong and rectified it in the main post. A next to your opponent means YOU are the away opponent and H next to your opponent means YOU are the home opponent. The google spreadsheet is the masterlist. I added a clarification.

[SimonLancaster]

Okay, I have to look at the lists and will play in a few days.

I will send out info to my away opponents when I work it out.

It is a bit confusing. Basically, no one can start games until everyone has chosen their specific army for a specific game.

[Asterix_von_TWC]

Okay, I have to look at the lists and will play in a few days.

I will send out info to my away opponents when I work it out.

It is a bit confusing. Basically, no one can start games until everyone has chosen their specific army for a specific game.

There are no brakes on. The home and away system ensures every can post at list one XENOS army. Sorry if its confusing, think of it as a big-old FOG2 rave maybe? Confusing can be fun (I will go clarifying as we go)

[Karvon]

Edited to include feedback.

1. You don't post the challenge to the MP server and issue passwords till you and your opponent have had the opportunity to sort through the decision tree about which armies are being used.

2. Either player may opt to fallback on an ally list at any point in the process.

3. You must use one ally list at least once.

4. You can use ally lists a maximum of 3 times.

5. You can use each ally list only once.

6. Decision Tree
a) Home team posts army choice via forum and PM
b) Away posts army choice via forum and PM
c) Home team could opt for switching ally posting via forum and PM.
d) Away team could opt for switching ally posting via forum and PM.
e) Home team could opt for switching ally posting via forum and PM.
f) Home team posts the final challenge to MP server and sends PW using the final army selections.

7. Important - You need to manually set the map size to 48 x 48 as default Very Large is 48 x 32. Likewise, you need to remember to edit the game length to 30 from the default of 24.

Karvon

[Karvon]

Disregard - I misunderstood and sent out challenges to H. Will repost

Karvon

[markleslie]

Probably need to separate what could be a lenghty Q&A from the challenge thread.

Following the examples of the challenges above, even though this seems to be the opposite of the instruction at the top of this page "HOME teams (marked "H" in the matchup list) issue the challenge." Though I suppose it doesn't really matter.

markleslie(KRA) with Macedonian 328-321 BC challenges

Ironclad(PER)
Chris Townsend(PYR)
rockmanbob123(SEL)

markleslie(KRA) with Samnite 355-272 BC challenges

jaerho(LEO)

PM sent

[Asterix_von_TWC]

Probably need to separate what could be a lenghty Q&A from the challenge thread.

Following the examples of the challenges above, even though this seems to be the opposite of the instruction at the top of this page "HOME teams (marked "H" in the matchup list) issue the challenge." Though I suppose it doesn't really matter.

markleslie(KRA) with Macedonian 328-321 BC challenges

Ironclad(PER)
Chris Townsend(PYR)
rockmanbob123(SEL)

markleslie(KRA) with Samnite 355-272 BC challenges

jaerho(LEO)

PM sent

I agree - I cleaned the main thread multiple times now and will post a QandA. Thanks for pointing out the bad phrasing of the matchups I fixed it to - A are the teams you should be challenging next to your name. It does matter

I will put you down for Samnites and cross off your Samnites for the master list.

[Asterix_von_TWC]

Karvon, Markleslie - the veterans make exemplary builds thank you!

Great suggestion for a Q&A - I had some other good questions come in via other media. I will start compiling and post up top in next 48h one which will evolve. (why I reserved myself the first post?)

[Asterix_von_TWC]

A preview to the soon-to-be launched QandA thanks Karvon!

Just to clarify things, do I understand this correctly?

1. You don't post the challenge to the MP server and issue passwords till you and your opponent have had the opportunity to sort through the decision tree about which armies are being used.

Not a requirement but an intelligent good practice from one of our great veterans. Well thought of.

2. Either player may opt to fallback on an ally list at any point in the process.

In theory, once the challenge is posted there should be no re-tasking the game (re-tasking or tasking means physically setting up the game challenge on servers). But gentleman's rule apply in our little island of the well-mannered.

3. You must use one ally list at least once.

Correct

4. You can use ally lists a maximum of 3 times.

You can use 3 of the 4 you have been given.

5. You can use a specific ally list more than once. e.g. I or Karvon used our Graeco-Baktrians they get crossed off.

No, you cannot. Once you commit an allied list it becomes unusable in the tournament.

6. At least one of your posted challenges as Home team must initially be an ally list.

No, no rule there. You can choose an away game as well and just notify your opponent. I will be updating the challenges in the google docs file accordingly and I will be updating the thread above right between matchups and armies.

7. Decision Tree
a) Home team posts army choice via forum and PM
b) Away team posts army choice via forum and PM
c) Home team could opt for switching to ally posting via forum and PM.
d) Away team could opt for switching ally posting via forum and PM.
e) Home team posts the final challenge to MP server and sends PW using the final army selections.

I will borrow this for QandA, attribute to you and make slight changes according to "the plan"

8. Important - You need to manually set the map size to 58 x 58 as default Very Large is 48 x 32. Likewise, you need to remember to edit the game length to 30 from the default of 24.

Thank you! Yes

Karvon

[SimonLancaster]

Point 5. You can only use a particular ally once.

[Asterix_von_TWC]

Thanks Simon. My question to everyone: is the Google Sheet helpful or over the top? Can you visit it?


Things I dropped from the tournament this round for simplicity's sake:

1. Assigning maps to each game with a random table I made (where flat ground had a greater probability to be drawn)
2. I did not realize some people have significant lag running games this size. Apologies
3. Giving Antipater the original Alexandrian-Macedonian list - I thought it might be over powered.
4. Evolving army lists between the three Diadochi wars (would get confusing)

[Indibil]

Indibil LYSIMACHUS (Lysimachid 320-281) challenges:

Laureleik. PHILIP SOGDIANOS (Indo-Greek 175-10)
mberisso POLYPERCHON (Macedonian 320-281)
gort7078 EUMENES (Macedonian 320-281)

Indibil challenges also EdmondDantes ARRHIDAIOS (Ptolemaic 217-167) with the Roxolani 350-24 allies

I will defend over Brenmusik ANTIGONUS .. (Antigonid 320-301). with my Greco-Bactrian 250-153 army

Well, I hope this post was correct.
I have to wait for my opponents army decision to set up the challenges, right?