Morris vs Joe Rock

[Morris]

Dec 29th 1943 winter/severe winter

It seems the last Xmas for Italians . After suffering 7 attacks , our great para was forbidden to change his original important position .After losing that position , it really hopeless to rescue Italy . Maybe they will alive one or two turn . I will assign all Italians to make suiside attack against Soviet's steamroller.I will let them dead as soldiers not just surrender without losing face .

In the east , They almost arrive Warsaw & in the south They will walk into Romania .

In the west , their troops all turn blue but still waiting for their bugle call .

[Cybvep]

Is that Warsaw Uprising?

[Morris]

Is that Warsaw Uprising?

No , we can deal it by the help of Red Army .

[Morris]

Jan 19th 1944 winter/severe winter

There is a miracle on the Sicily . My para stay alive (2step left ) after another seven attack(2 tac , 2 BB , 3 ground attack ). Although they will be dead next turn , They really hold the reputation of Great Germany Paras ! We are ready for Italy's death .

In the west , Allies troops move forward like a great wall of army . In the east Warsaw was almost encircled , but they will suffer thousands of Italians suiside defence .
Also they crush into Romania .



















( in this screenshot , the para had been supplied , so it is 6 , before that is 2 . I just forgot save screenshot at the start)

[Morris]

Feb 7th 1944 winter

Sicily came to its last minute . The king tiger in there was hit to one step left . Nothing could stop allies to kick out Italy in this turn .

In the east , Warsaw is encircled . Romania also in great danger ! I will ask all Romanians to fight to death before Romania change side ! Also our brave Italian corp launch huge suiside attack against Red Army in Polland . they also achive several steps ! Now They all know how to die like a soldier !

In the west , Allies great wall is probably waiting for fair day to take Paris to full supply . We can not stop them since there is all plain around Paris .Whenever think of the horrible Allies tac & bomber , we 'd rather give up Paris . But this time Paris will be defenced by Balgarian. & they will fight to death too .

[Morris]

Feb 27th 1944 mud/severe winter

Italy finally surrender . So did Romania. They became traitors ! I hate myself made another foolish mistake that I put a Romanian FTR on Essen ! Although I kill it immediately , But it cost me 14pp & one ponit of fuel !

In the east they kill all italians & totally encircle Warsaw .

In the west , they move forward slowly towards Paris . They are waiting for fair day .

until now , I had made three foolish mistakes in this pbem : Finland , Brest ,& Romanian's Essen ! But Joe seems has no big mistake! Will these mistakes draw me to the failure ?

[Cybvep]

We still haven't seen your main defence line!

[Clark]

Yeah, it's crazy. I'm beginning to suspect it doesn't exist!!

[Peter Stauffenberg]

I think the western Allies will probably be stopped by the Siegfried line, but I think it will be very hard to stop the Russians. In the east the Germans have only 2 fortress hexes in the Ostwall + some fortress cities. So there is no way the Germans can stop the Russians along a fortified line.

With the Russian armor and air firepower they can kill many German front line units and advance maybe 1 hex column per turn in fair weather. It seems they can now move to the Oder line and then they're only 5-6 hexes away from Berlin. It will be very hard for the Germans to hold even if every hex is filled with units.

I think the only way Morris can win is if he has managed to salvage a good counter strike capability near Berlin. He's saving oil now. The Luftwaffe and the panzers are silent. If Morris can unleash his panzer reserve vs the Russian armor spearheads and crush them then he can reclaim many hexes and reduce the Russian firepower.

The problem is that the Russians can quite easily replace units. For Morris to win I think he must be able to hold the Oder line till the bad weather in 1944 begins. Joerock will only get 3-4 fair weather turns in 1945 and that might be too little. Berlin might fall, but probably not Hamburg. I think what might save Morris is the fact that Joerock needs to take Hamburg in addition to Berlin. Berlin will fall for sure, but it could be the western Allies have to land north of the Rhine to rush towards Hamburg. That is the true Achilles heel of the Morris defense.
If Joerock gets a foothold north of the Hague then the game will be over soon. Fortunately for Morris he still has time to garrison every hex here so it's very hard to get ashore.

[Cybvep]

It's amazing that the Soviet Union was on the brink of collapse not that long ago...

[rkr1958]

It's amazing that the Soviet Union was on the brink of collapse not that long ago...

Sort of historical isn't it.

[Cybvep]

I don't know which books you read, but I've never heard about the Germans being almost at the gates of Omsk! They didn't even manage to capture Moscow... or Leningrad... or Stalingrad...

Anyway, I think that what Joe Rock managed to achieve here is amazing, even if he will lose the game in the end. Most players would have stopped playing long ago.

[rkr1958]

I don't know which books you read, but I've never heard about the Germans being almost at the gates of Omsk! They didn't even manage to capture Moscow... or Leningrad... or Stalingrad...

Anyway, I think that what Joe Rock managed to achieve here is amazing, even if he will lose the game in the end. Most players would have stopped playing long ago.

It's amazing that the Soviet Union was on the brink of collapse not that long ago...

My statement was in reference to this statement from you. And the books that I've read did indicate that there was an air of desperation and worry in 1941 on the Soviets side and an air of confidence on the German side that Russia would collapse. So those are the books I've read and it seems that this game captured perfectly that atmosphere of desperation (on the allied side) and confidence (on the axis side); though the details are a bit different.

[Morris]

We still haven't seen your main defence line!

You will find it within 2 turns .

[Morris]

Yeah, it's crazy. I'm beginning to suspect it doesn't exist!!

Please don't suspect . It does exsit there !

[Morris]

It's amazing that the Soviet Union was on the brink of collapse not that long ago...

Sort of historical isn't it.

We'd like to play a historical way , but I hope the final result is not historic

[Morris]

I think the western Allies will probably be stopped by the Siegfried line, but I think it will be very hard to stop the Russians. In the east the Germans have only 2 fortress hexes in the Ostwall + some fortress cities. So there is no way the Germans can stop the Russians along a fortified line.

With the Russian armor and air firepower they can kill many German front line units and advance maybe 1 hex column per turn in fair weather. It seems they can now move to the Oder line and then they're only 5-6 hexes away from Berlin. It will be very hard for the Germans to hold even if every hex is filled with units.

I think the only way Morris can win is if he has managed to salvage a good counter strike capability near Berlin. He's saving oil now. The Luftwaffe and the panzers are silent. If Morris can unleash his panzer reserve vs the Russian armor spearheads and crush them then he can reclaim many hexes and reduce the Russian firepower.

The problem is that the Russians can quite easily replace units. For Morris to win I think he must be able to hold the Oder line till the bad weather in 1944 begins. Joerock will only get 3-4 fair weather turns in 1945 and that might be too little. Berlin might fall, but probably not Hamburg. I think what might save Morris is the fact that Joerock needs to take Hamburg in addition to Berlin. Berlin will fall for sure, but it could be the western Allies have to land north of the Rhine to rush towards Hamburg. That is the true Achilles heel of the Morris defense.
If Joerock gets a foothold north of the Hague then the game will be over soon. Fortunately for Morris he still has time to garrison every hex here so it's very hard to get ashore.

Borger : I do love your analysis of this pbem's future . But I will try to do sth fresh to amaze everyone .
BTW , Joe don't need to land around Hague , he can just drive to there

[Morris]

Mar 17th 1944 mud/winter

Warsaw finally fall, Also soviet move to take the minor countries .

In Italy , US & UK is planning to landing in Toranto .

In the west , they move forward to two hex from Paris suburb .

I am sure the D day in this game will be the first fair turn in 1944 ! Please don't miss it !

[zechi]

I'm still convinced we will see a very strong defensive line in the west and east, which Joe will not be able to breach. I would even not be surprised if every hex between the Ost- and Westall is occupied by a unit.

[Morris]

I'm still convinced we will see a very strong defensive line in the west and east, which Joe will not be able to breach. I would even not be surprised if every hex between the Ost- and Westall is occupied by a unit.

It won't surprise you . but the defence should be fit to the reputation of the great Die Wehrmacht (although I am not assure a final victory, at least go down swinging)!