TDC - Archive

[SimonLancaster]

The option to end the stalled game doesn't work. I forget if it is for Ancients or Medieval. Someone else can confirm..

[ericdoman1]

It has worked for me, it has to be over 1 week old though. Maybe the player has not moved for over a week enables it to work as well

[CyberHetman]

Accordingly, I would think a 40-15 victory to be more decisive than 60-35, because if the 40-15 game is allowed to continue, the winning margin will likely further increase.

Maybe this way:
Loser: takes his points. Never more than 60.
Winner: takes 120 minus the loser's points. Never less than 60.

This way there is always 120 to take in a one game (except for draws) and probably better represents the outcome of the fight.

Examples:
result: 40-15 points: 105-15
result: 60-35 points: 85-35
result: 60:50 points: 70:50
result: 63:61 points: 60:60

The problem is the draw. Maybe then an exception: both get as much as they scored or lowest score.

[Kroche]

Accordingly, I would think a 40-15 victory to be more decisive than 60-35, because if the 40-15 game is allowed to continue, the winning margin will likely further increase.

Maybe this way:
Loser: takes his points. Never more than 60.
Winner: takes 120 minus the loser's points. Never less than 60.

This way there is always 120 to take in a one game (except for draws) and probably better represents the outcome of the fight.

Examples:
result: 40-15 points: 105-15
result: 60-35 points: 85-35
result: 60:50 points: 70:50
result: 63:61 points: 60:60

The problem is the draw. Maybe then an exception: both get as much as they scored or lowest score.

I think that is a good system - rewards the 40-15 above the 60-35.

Draws should get an additional bonus? If someone loses 60-35 they get 35 points and if someone draws 30-30 they get 30 points. Draw should be worth more. I was thinking 30 as it is half of 60, but think this is too much as you would start encroaching on the score of someone who has won a match.

Maybe a +15 for a draw? If people don't play and get a 0-0 then they only get 15 points, which is not much of a reward (rightly so) but if they get a 30-30 draw they get 45 points which would be the same as a close defeat of 60-45.

[tyronec]

Maybe this way:
Loser: takes his points. Never more than 60.
Winner: takes 120 minus the loser's points. Never less than 60.

This way there is always 120 to take in a one game (except for draws) and probably better represents the outcome of the fight.

Examples:
result: 40-15 points: 105-15
result: 60-35 points: 85-35
result: 60:50 points: 70:50
result: 63:61 points: 60:60

The problem is the draw. Maybe then an exception: both get as much as they scored or lowest score.
Top

This looks good.
Would give players the points that they score for draws, with a maximum of 60.
Probably you are scoring too much for a high score draw like 50-50 compared to a low score draw such as 30-30 but what the system does do is push players to attack if they want to score points.

[Triarii]

Maybe this way:
Loser: takes his points. Never more than 60.
Winner: takes 120 minus the loser's points. Never less than 60.

This way there is always 120 to take in a one game (except for draws) and probably better represents the outcome of the fight.

Examples:
result: 40-15 points: 105-15
result: 60-35 points: 85-35
result: 60:50 points: 70:50
result: 63:61 points: 60:60

The problem is the draw. Maybe then an exception: both get as much as they scored or lowest score.
Top

This looks good.
Would give players the points that they score for draws, with a maximum of 60.
Probably you are scoring too much for a high score draw like 50-50 compared to a low score draw such as 30-30 but what the system does do is push players to attack if they want to score points.

+1 for this system.
I agree with Tyrone and think this proposal a good scoring system that has the benefit of being simple and rewards decisive early wins (e.g. at 40-15) above a drawn out more closely fought encounter. Lucius Sulla's point about the 40-15 win being qualitatively better than say 55-30 is a good one.
The other good point is that the spread of scores would mean that equal final scores are much more improbable in a tournament.

However I do feel that scoring the draws as 'points scored to maximum 60' would also be fair.
So a game finishing at 50-50 scoring 50 for each player would reflect the effort and aggression shown but would score neither player more than an outright winner. The lowest margin for an outright win would be 61-59.
Also the more likely scores for draws would be of the order of 20 to 30 points.

[Geffalrus]

+1 for Triarii’s suggestion and Tyrone’s idea.

[ericdoman1]

Please read the rules - viewtopic.php?f=494&t=107984

To enter all you need to do is simply post “I wish to enter” or similar. You must also include your choice of 3 armies and allies in the same post by the 5th February.
Only one army list can be chosen for each division. For example, only one Roman 105-25 BC can be chosen, however another player can choose Roman 199-106 BC.

Please include your 3 choices as below

Andalusian 756-1049 AD
Bulgar (Volga) 675-1237 AD
Welsh 600-1049 AD with Viking 790 to 899 AD allies

Players will be awarded their choice based upon their ranking. Lower ranked players will receive their 1st choice while the highest ranked players will often receive only their 2nd or 3rd choice. There may be occasions when a 4th selection is required.

Please keep track of who has added their 3 choices and be prepared to change your choices at all times.

Each season players are not allowed to reselect an army list or variant they have chosen in a previous season.

Variant (Armies) – All armies that have the same “first” name, for example Roman, Carthaginian, Byzantine and so on.

Final date for entries is 5th February

If you have any doubts, then please contact the person who is looking after that specific period.

[harveylh]

Hi to all

Welcome to Rosedelio who has temporarily replaced harveylh for TDC II.

WORK IN PROGRESS

Thanks very much for entering.

To clarify, there is an imaginary line running through NE Germany and NE Egypt.

Eastern Medieval armies are to the east or right of this line. In FOG II Medieval. Click on Battles on main menu, Custom Battle, PICK YOUR ARMY, in the Own Army List, go to the W-E box and click on that. All armies that are allowed in Eastern Medieval is from Polish 1058 - 1154 to Indian Muslim.

Similarly in FOG II Croatian 850 - 1102 to Indian (Rajput) 650 - 1049

"Time Warp" may well be used in this period. You can find this in FOG II Medieval. As above but in the middle is an icon "select another module", click on that, click on Time Warp and click on Launch.

Please read the rules - viewtopic.php?f=494&t=107984

To enter all you need to do is simply post “I wish to enter” or similar. You must also include your choice of 3 armies and allies in the same post by the 5th of July.

Only one army list can be chosen for each division. For example, only one Byzantine 1155-1204 AD army list regardless of ally can be chosen. However, another player can choose a different Byzantine army list with a different (not overlapping) date range such as the Byzantine army 1205-1261 AD.

Please include your 3 choices as below

Ghaznavid 1041 - 1187
Rus 1265 - 1379 with Tatar 1242 -1339 Allies
Polish 1455 - 1500

Players will be awarded their choice based upon their ranking. Lower ranked players will receive their 1st choice while the highest-ranked players will often receive only their 2nd or 3rd choice. There may be occasions when a 4th selection is required.

Please keep track of who has added their 3 choices and be prepared to change your choices at all times.

Each season players are not allowed to reselect an army list or variant they have chosen in a previous season.

Variant (Armies) – All armies that have the same “first” name. For example German, Berber, Byzantine and so on.

Final date for entries is 5th July

If you have any questions, then please contact the person who is looking after that specific period. For Eastern Medieval please PM Rosedelio

[Geffalrus]

We are now open for sign ups, though I can see quite a few of you jumped in and wasted no time. Fortune favors the bold!

We have 3 full divisions with less than a week to go, so we are taking reserve sign ups and if we get 9 more, then we'll open a 4th division.

Please review the full rules using the link below:
https://www.slitherine.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=107984

To enter all you need to do is simply post “I wish to enter” or similar. You must also include your choice of 3 armies and allies in the same post by the 5th Jan.

Only one army list can be chosen for each division. For example, only one Roman 105-25 BC can be chosen, however another player can choose Roman 199-106 BC.

Required DLCs: Rise of Persia, Immortal Fire

Please include your 3 choices as below

1) Antigonids (320-301BC)
2) Pyrrhic (280-275BC)
3) Spartan (221-146BC) with Roman (219-200BC) allies

Players will be awarded their choice based upon their ranking. Lower ranked players will receive their 1st choice while the highest ranked players will often receive only their 2nd or 3rd choice. There may be occasions when a 4th selection is required.

Please keep track of who has added their 3 choices and be prepared to change your choices at all times.

Players cannot use the same army list, variant army or same allies in the same period the following season. Nor can they use the same army list in a different period the following season. However they can use a "variant" army or allies in a different period the following season.

Variant (Armies) – All armies that have the same “first” name, for example Roman, Carthaginian, Byzantine and so on.

Final date for entries is 5th Jan.

Armies used in season 2

[Karvon]

We are now open for sign ups.

Please review the full rules using the link below:
viewtopic.php?f=494&t=107984

To enter all you need to do is simply post “I wish to enter” or similar. You must also include your choice of 3 armies and allies in the same post by the 5th February.
Only one army list can be chosen for each division. For example, only one Roman 105-25 BC can be chosen, however another player can choose Roman 199-106 BC.

Please include your 3 choices as below

Armenians (Tigranes) 83-69 BC with Pontic 84- 47 BC allies
Carthaginian 235-146 BC
Seleucid 166-125 BC with Parthian 250 BC-225 AD allies

Players will be awarded their choice based upon their ranking. Lower ranked players will receive their 1st choice while the highest ranked players will often receive only their 2nd or 3rd choice. There may be occasions when a 4th selection is required.

Please keep track of who has added their 3 choices and be prepared to change your choices at all times.

Each season players are not allowed to reselect an army list or variant they have chosen in a previous season.

Variant (Armies) – All armies that have the same “first” name, for example Roman, Carthaginian, Byzantine and so on.

Final date for entries is 5th February

[carpenkm]

We are open for entries.

Please read the rules - viewtopic.php?f=494&t=107984

To enter all you need to do is simply post “I wish to enter” or similar. You must also include your choice of 3 armies and allies in the same post by the 5th July.

To clarify, there is an imaginary line running through NE Germany and NE Egypt.

Western Medieval armies are to the west or left of this line. In FOG II Medieval. Click on Battles on main menu, Custom Battle, PICK YOUR ARMY, in the Own Army List, go to the W-E box and click on that. All armies that are allowed in Eastern Medieval is from Anglo Irish 1167 - 1274 to Swedish 1397 - 1500.

Similarly in FOG II Irish 900 - 1049 to Viking 900 -1049

"Time Warp" may well be used in this period. You can find this in FOG II Medieval. As above but in the middle is an icon "select another module", click on that, click on Time Warp and click on Launch.

Only one army list can be chosen for each division. For example, only one Arab (Syria/Iraq) 890 - 1008 AD can be chosen, however another player can choose a different Arab Army.

Please include your 3 choices as below

Neapolitan 1443 - 1500 AD
Bohemian 1200 - 1319 AD
French 1050 - 1154 AD with Breton Allies 1050 - 1154 AD

Players will be awarded their choice based upon their ranking. Lower ranked players will receive their 1st choice while the highest ranked players will often receive only their 2nd or 3rd choice. There may be occasions when a 4th selection is required.

Please keep track of who has added their 3 choices and be prepared to change your choices at all times.

Each season players are not allowed to reselect an army list or variant they have chosen in a previous season.

Variant (Armies) – All armies that have the same “first” name, for example Roman, Carthaginian, Byzantine and so on.

Final date for entries is 5th July

If you have any doubts, then please contact the person who is looking after this period (ericdoman1)

[Najanaja]

I'll play. Army to follow

Don't think I'll have time for this one so I wont play.

[Najanaja]

I'll play. Army to follow. thanks!
I'll not play. Short of time at the moment.

[Stew101]

I wish to enter please.

Armies are:

Jewish 64 BC - 6 AD
Thracian (Roman client) 50 BC - 46 AD, with Roman allies 24 BC - 196 AD.
Franks 496 - 599 AD, with Breton Allies 411 - 579 AD.

[Rosedelio]

I'm joining.

1. Numidian or Moorish 55 BC - 6 AD with Roman 24 BC - 196 AD allies
2. Hunnic (Western) 376-454 AD with Germanic Foot Tribes 260-599 AD allies
3. Scots-Irish 50 BC - 476AD

[LuciusSulla]

To clarify, for "Each season players are not allowed to reselect an army list or variant they have chosen in a previous season."

Is this referring to the one army list that the player played in a prior season or the three choices the player selected in a prior season? Are allies considered for the purpose of this test?

For "Both players must agree on the map to start the game. After the third re-roll you must use the map offered", does this mean one player would have the right to unilaterally request reroll three times?

Any plans to create an independent ranking system so that the future seasons will not rely (entirely) upon FOG2DL rankings or Slitherine tournament rankings? If possible, my wish is that a ELO rating for all players taking into account of TDC and pantherboy's LEOG plus possible other "certified" games and tournaments.

[random27]

Count me in please ,

1) germanic horse tribe 260-492 with hunnic allies
2) byzantine 551-578 with arab bedouin allies
3 ) roman 313-378 with arab bedouin

[ulysisgrunt]

1)Roman 24 BC-196AD, Sarmatian allies
2)Bosporan 11-375 AD Roman allies
3)Pictish 210-476 with Scots Irish allies

[ericdoman1]

Hi LuciusSulla

Thanks for the reply, see below.

To clarify, for "Each season players are not allowed to reselect an army list or variant they have chosen in a previous season."

Players cannot use the same army list, variant army or allies in the same period the following season. Nor can they use the same army list in a different period the following season. However they can use a "variant" army or allies in a different period the following season.

Is this referring to the one army list that the player played in a prior season or the three choices the player selected in a prior season? Are allies considered for the purpose of this test?

For "Both players must agree on the map to start the game. After the third re-roll you must use the map offered", does this mean one player would have the right to unilaterally request reroll three times?

Yes

Any plans to create an independent ranking system so that the future seasons will not rely (entirely) upon FOG2DL rankings or Slitherine tournament rankings? If possible, my wish is that a ELO rating for all players taking into account of TDC and pantherboy's LEOG plus possible other "certified" games and tournaments.

Yes, we will have a new ranking system in place after season 1. I believe Karvon uses an ELO rating for his tournaments. I am not familiar with the system myself and so maybe we will have something different than ELO ratings. I think some of us were told that Slitherine themselves may well be creating an ELO ranking system.