Does an Overlapping BG benefit from a non-attached leader?

[madcam2us]

Commanders and Cohesion Tests
Pg 113....

A BG in close combat can only count a commander who is with it...

so if an overlapping BG is forced to take a COHESION TEST, would it be able to use a non-attached leader that was with range?

Madcam.

[david53]

Commanders and Cohesion Tests
Pg 113....

A BG in close combat can only count a commander who is with it...
so if an overlapping BG is forced to take a COHESION TEST, would it be able to use a non-attached leader that was with range?

Madcam.

Yes as the overlap BG is not in close combat, providing that the general is not in close combat himself.


Dave

[madcam2us]

It seems as if we are running full circle with DaveR's question on close combat...

Is it defined anywhere in the book?

Madcam

[david53]

It seems as if we are running full circle with DaveR's question on close combat...

Is it defined anywhere in the book?

Madcam

Page 50

Moving from overlap position

This allows you if in overlap and fought in the meele in the previous turn to either charge a different enemy, evade in the impact phase or move normally in the movement phase or continue to fight as an overlap.

This to me makes it not in combat as its not forced to stay and fight.
Dave

[SirGarnet]

Page 50 Moving from overlap position

This allows you if in overlap and fought in the meele in the previous turn to either charge a different enemy, evade in the impact phase or move normally in the movement phase or continue to fight as an overlap.

This to me makes it not in combat as its not forced to stay and fight.
Dave

Close combat includes overlap. That's clear from the definition (p134) and several references to "close combat other than overlap."

As for a FAQ clarification of "close combat"/"in melee" . . . would be nice, including clarifying when the close combat ends for overlap troops.

(ADDED) RE OVERLAP ENDING CLOSE COMBAT: Moving a BG in overlap breaks close combat. If a commander was fighting in the front rank, can the BG move without the commander, so he is dropped out of combat and can move normally rather than moving with it once it started moving? Yes. Normal contractions are not allowed for BGs in close combat (just contractions used to feed in), so is it that a contraction followed by an advance is not allowed but a contraction after an advance is allowed? Yes. Can a commander not with the BG provide a bonus for the CMT roll required for a contraction move? No, since the roll happens before movement. There may be other examples.

Mike

[madcam2us]

Not sure a FaQ is needed, upon further reading into the rules...

Pages 90 and 134 both use the same definition of "Close Combat"

""Close Combat" is a general term for impact and melee combat. Once such combat has been joined, battle groups are deemed to be in close combat until one side breaks off, breaks or is destroyed (or a battle group fighting only as an overlap moves away)."

As such, BGs only fighting as an overlap are in Close Combat and as such do NOT benefit from a non-attached leader.

Page 113 - A battle group in close combat can only count a commmander who is with it... FOR COHESION TESTS

cut and dry.

Sorry for the wasted bandwidth...

Madcam.

[david53]

Commanders and Cohesion Tests
Pg 113....

A BG in close combat can only count a commander who is with it...

so if an overlapping BG is forced to take a COHESION TEST, would it be able to use a non-attached leader that was with range?

Madcam.

Just wondered when would a overlap BG be forced to test I thought if they were shot at only the bases not in overlap as they would be in close combat, is this the only time..

[madcam2us]

Best to my knowledge (taking shots is the only time applicable) and also the situation at hand...

Madcam.

[lawrenceg]

They might have to test for death of a commander or friends breaking.

[madcam2us]

Yes, of course

Madcam.